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posted by martyb on Wednesday November 01 2017, @11:58AM   Printer-friendly
from the American-game-of-FOOTball-which-is-played-using-your-HANDs dept.

Is ESPN done for?

ESPN pays $2 billion a year to the NFL for Monday Night Football and one NFL wild card playoff game. I've written for the past couple of years that as ESPN's business collapses that ESPN's decision on whether or not to bid to keep Monday Night Football would be the first big test of how rapidly that business is deteriorating.

What's a deteriorating business look like? In the month of October ESPN lost over 15,000 subscribers a day in October per the latest Nielson estimates.

15,000 a day!

Losing 15,000 subscribers per day is a lot, but is that because of the NFL anthem protests or because cord-cutting has finally reached a tipping point?


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  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 01 2017, @04:03PM (4 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 01 2017, @04:03PM (#590614)

    The thing I find odd is how people take offence to kneeling.

    Historically, the only time I have heard of someone taking offence to kneeling was when the British envoy to the Chinese knelt in the presence of the emperor. Why was that offensive? because they only knelt instead of kowtowing (full on face to the floor kneeling).

    This is the first time I have heard of people thinking that kneeling is less respectful than standing.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 01 2017, @04:53PM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 01 2017, @04:53PM (#590652)

    It is a cultural thing, just as you mention with the Chinese (japanese??) emperor. "Please stand for the pledge of allegiance" not kneel, not sit, not squat. Take off hats, hand over heart, it is a ritual to display patriotism and the details do matter.

    I find the pledge distasteful and creepy. I find people taking offense to be idiots. But I do get why it upsets them, the very basis of modern military propaganda is telling them that society has massive problems. Talk about the most uncomfortable way (for brainwashed "patriots") to get the message across.

    • (Score: 2) by VLM on Wednesday November 01 2017, @10:01PM (1 child)

      by VLM (445) on Wednesday November 01 2017, @10:01PM (#590785)

      it is a ritual to display patriotism

      Its a ritual to display unity, note the lines like "one nation" "indivisible" and so on. The pledge is something Americans do, not random groups of fans or racial groups.

      The 60000 people in the stands have been standing up as per the ritual and the pampered rich bastards on the field are arrogant enough to not conform with the viewers in the stands, which is interesting. "I'm a millionaire I don't have to perform the pledge routine like poor people" Oddly enough that arrogance isn't very appealing to the poor people.

      The left has been pushing the narrative that the USA is nothing more than a Costco and there is no such thing as American and so forth. Merely a bunch of urban gangs fighting each other for dominance over each other. "We're not Americans we're blacks who hate whites" / "We're not Americans we're whites who hate blacks" that sort of thing. Divide and conqueror. Its quite a red pill to notice who has been running that divide and conqueror narrative for a long time ...

      Ironically from the far right I kind of agree with the far left WRT increasing racial consciousness and awareness. And on the third hand there is the rhetoric technique of agree and amplify where one way to make them look dumb is to encourage them to start burning flags at the halftime show (you know its gonna happen sooner or later regardless of what the far right wants, LOL). Once its accepted to burn flags then its time for the other side to light up the crosses, just sayin

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 02 2017, @01:41AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 02 2017, @01:41AM (#590833)

        "I'm a millionaire I don't have to perform the pledge routine like poor people" Oddly enough that arrogance isn't very appealing to the poor people.

        Utter bullshit. They are drawing attention to the disparity between the way law enforcement & the judicial system treats minority's and whites. They are speaking up for those who don't have a voice (aka the poor). You blaming this on the left is more bullshit. You just love that divide people anyway you can trolling.

        Anyone who takes offense to those kneeling to draw attention to these issue who themselves does not stand each and every time the National Anthem is played is a hypocrite.

  • (Score: 2) by VLM on Wednesday November 01 2017, @10:09PM

    by VLM (445) on Wednesday November 01 2017, @10:09PM (#590788)

    Historically, the only time I have heard of someone taking offence to kneeling

    You must be a lot of fun at church services. I'm not a Catholic, but for reasons, I've been to a lot of masses and thats a good example of how dance floors are the only place where "you be you" "do your own thing" is accepted. The priest stands and 500 people in the congregation stand for the third reading (the synoptic gospel one) and some goofball decides to whip out some interpretive dance classic 80s break dancing moves instead and the other 499 people in the congregation are going to look at the break dancer like an idiot, a lunatic, an attention whore, or just simply a disruptive jerk, you know, like those jackasses who are NFL players.

    Actually an even better analogy would be the football team lines up and says "yeah this is a football game but fuck it I feel like playing baseball today" and the jackasses start playing baseball instead, possibly without even coordinating with the other team or the 60000 viewers. Because they're rich, entitled, brats, attention whores, whatever there really aren't many positive ways to spin it.