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How's that STEM education working out?
Much of the public enthusiasm for STEM education rests on the assumption that these fields are rich in job opportunity. Some are, some aren’t. STEM is an expansive category, spanning many disciplines and occupations, from software engineers and data scientists to geologists, astronomers and physicists.
What recent studies have made increasingly apparent is that the greatest number of high-paying STEM jobs are in the “T” (specifically, computing).
Earlier this year, Glassdoor, a jobs listing website, ranked the median base salary of workers in their first five years of employment by undergraduate major. Computer science topped the list ($70,000), followed by electrical engineering ($68,438). Biochemistry ($46,406) and biotechnology ($48,442) were among the lowest paying majors in the study, which also confirmed that women are generally underrepresented in STEM majors.
So study cybersecurity, not slime molds.
(Score: 2) by Snow on Friday November 03 2017, @08:40PM (13 children)
I'm not the OP, but I'm all for equality. It does seem very one sided though. All the advances in equality seem to benefit women.
-- When can men opt out of a pregnancy?
-- When will women get comparable sentences for crimes committed?
-- When will divorce become more equitable?
-- When can the men get on the life raft alongside the women and children?
-- When will women (even hardcore feminists) pay for first dates?
#mentoo
(Score: 3, Interesting) by DannyB on Friday November 03 2017, @09:04PM
Your post leads me to wonder . . .
Which will come first?
1. Man lands on Mars?
2. Male contraceptives?
The lower I set my standards the more accomplishments I have.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 03 2017, @09:18PM (2 children)
When they start being able to carry the fetus to term inside themselves.
(Score: 2) by Snow on Friday November 03 2017, @11:52PM (1 child)
I'm not advocating for forcing abortions on other people, but rather a process where I can opt out.
Fill out a form, pay 1/2 the cost of an abortion, possibly a little extra to cover time off work or to help make up for the ordeal. After that, it would be up to the woman to either abort or raise the kid on her own (with no child support $$).
It is cold, heartless and kinda fucked up? Ya. But it's also pretty fucked up that someone can be forced to pay for child support for 18 years because a One Night Stand wants to have a baby..
(Score: 3, Insightful) by crafoo on Saturday November 04 2017, @03:24AM
Some would say the lesson from this is that there is no such thing as a one night stand, not really. You should also take responsibility for your actions. If you can't stand the person to be around them to raise a kid, maybe don't have sex with that person? Or be prepared to shoulder the responsibility that comes with it. Same things goes for the women. Ask around to those that have had an abortion. Every decision has consequences. Try to make decisions as you go through life you can feel good about, or at least say you followed through.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday November 03 2017, @10:06PM (3 children)
You're thinking second-wave feminists. Third-wave feminists threw equality right the fuck out the window and want privilege instead.
Anyone who disagrees, I suggest you attempt an experiment. You know, obtain empirical evidence on whether I'm correct or incorrect. Science, bitches. Suggest to a third-wave feminist that diversity hires in STEM be done away with in favor of a blind job application process done without ever knowing the race or gender of the person being hired. If they get pissed off, I'm right. If they don't, I'm wrong.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by i286NiNJA on Friday November 03 2017, @11:17PM (2 children)
https://pmc.gov.au/resource-centre/domestic-policy/going-blind-see-more-clearly-unconscious-bias-australian-public-services-shortlisting-processes [pmc.gov.au]
Actually blind hiring results in LESS women getting selected than hiring with names attached. There were some similar studies by other universities and they all indicated the same thing: A female name on your resume is an advantage.
As a side note.. I don't remember if it was this study or another one but having a black sound name and a prestigious college on your resume produced results similar to a white sounding name from a middle of the road state school.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday November 03 2017, @11:41PM
Yep, which means they're less qualified overall and should not have equal representation in the field.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Post-Nihilist on Saturday November 04 2017, @01:06AM
They says in the abstract that it can frustrate diversity effort. I guess being proved wrong by cold hard fact is frustrating to some, when it should be an humbling opportunity to get a better understanding of a situation
Be like us, be different, be a nihilist!!!
(Score: 4, Interesting) by Grishnakh on Friday November 03 2017, @10:30PM (3 children)
When can men opt out of a pregnancy?
Men never had that disadvantage to begin with, so it's irrelevant.
However, I will add that there does seem to be a lack of research into male contraception. There is a very promising option being tested in India (and developed there I think) where they inject some material in the seminal ducts, and it's supposedly extremely safe and reliable, but also importantly completely and easily reversible with an injection of baking soda solution (IIRC). It seems like this kind of thing hasn't been researched or tested here in the US, probably because it's too cheap, and would harm pharma profits for the expensive female contraception methods and the very expensive vasectomy procedures (which aren't that reliably reversed), and there's a conspiracy theory that elements of our society don't want men to be able to avoid accidentally impregnating women so easily and cheaply. So, whichever causes you believe, it's still probably men's fault, because men overwhelmingly dominate the boards and executive positions at pharma corporations, and also high-up government positions (where they'd be able to influence the FDA to not approve this).
When will women get comparable sentences for crimes committed?
This one is men's fault: most judges are male. Also, I've never heard this allegation, so citation needed. Women don't get put in jail as much because they don't commit as many crimes, especially violent ones. The main disparity I've heard of in sentencing is race-based, not gender-based: black people really get the shaft in sentencing. This is probably due to racism, combined with this country's stupid use of juries for this kind of thing.
When will divorce become more equitable?
This one is infamous, but again it's all men's fault: most judges are male, and the whole thing comes from the old-fashioned patriarchal idea that the woman is almost always the one who the kid should stay with.
When can the men get on the life raft alongside the women and children?
Is this still a thing? As in, actually enforced? And when was the last time any significant-sized passenger ship needed to use life rafts anyway?
When will women (even hardcore feminists) pay for first dates?
Now this one is really annoying, but it is changing. I've had women insist on paying for first dates, or on splitting the tab.
(Score: 2) by slinches on Friday November 03 2017, @11:58PM (1 child)
Really, irrelevant? Tell that to every guy who has to pay for child support for a kid they never wanted or had the child they fathered aborted against their wishes. The choice to end a pregnancy has a profound effect on at least three lives.
(Score: 3, Touché) by Grishnakh on Saturday November 04 2017, @02:34AM
If you don't want your kid aborted, then only have sex with a woman who agrees beforehand to have your kid. Otherwise, it's not your call, since it's not your body being used as an incubator. Funny how you expect someone else to do all the work and suffering for something you want, and you don't want to contribute anything. If you did, you would have married her first.
As for child support, get the snip if you're worried about that.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 04 2017, @01:38AM
That's irrelevant, since he's only talking about cases where women do go to jail or prison. He's saying that their sentences are shorter on average when compared to men who committed a similar crime, I believe. I don't know if that is true but what you said isn't evidence against it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 04 2017, @03:45AM
Don't forget:
-- getting out of traffic tickets by acting vulnerable
-- getting better tips as a wait person
-- getting away with saying "nice bottoms, hon" to another woman without it being "abuse" (actual thing that happened to my teenage daughter while we were on a walk)
-- the list goes on and on and on. it's folly to pretend it's not there. We need to find a balance point that also somehow allows for individuality.