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posted by takyon on Monday November 06 2017, @02:25AM   Printer-friendly
At Least 26 Dead After Gunman Opens Fire In South Texas Church

Federal authorities are responding to a shooting at the First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, Texas, a small community southeast of San Antonio.

In a press conference Sunday night, an official from the Texas Department of Public Safety described the scene: Around 11:20 am, the suspect, dressed in black, approached the church and began firing an assault rifle. He then entered the church and continued firing.

Gov. Greg Abbott confirmed that at least 26 people were killed. A Texas Department of Public Safety official said the ages of the victims ranged from 5 to 72 years old. The AP reports that the pastor's 14-year-old daughter is among the dead.

The Department of Public Safety confirmed to NPR that at least 20 others were wounded. A DPS official said in the press conference that the gunman was confronted by an armed civilian outside of the church.

The shooter, who was found dead in neighboring Guadalupe County, has been identified as Devin Kelley, 26, a former Air Force member.

 
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  • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 06 2017, @03:04AM (34 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 06 2017, @03:04AM (#592784)

    Here we go, with loads of info:

    https://heavy.com/news/2017/11/devin-kelley-p-sutherland-springs-church-shooter-patrick-kelly/ [heavy.com]

    So he's a Bernie and Antifa fan who shoots up his mother-in-law's church. He seems to be a former churchgoer who went atheist.

    He got 12 months confinement in the Air Force, so a felon already.

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  • (Score: 5, Informative) by c0lo on Monday November 06 2017, @03:11AM (9 children)

    by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Monday November 06 2017, @03:11AM (#592788) Journal

    As of now, the "loads on info spell":

    Despite rumors on social media, there is no evidence that he was a member of Antifa or carried out the attack on behalf of the far left group. There is also no evidence he converted to Islam and was a practicing Muslim, as other social media rumors have claimed. Although he liked multiple atheist-related pages on Facebook, it is not known if he considered himself to be an atheist or was simply interested in it. Some doctored photos have circulated on social media, and people identified the wrong people as suspects early on.

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    • (Score: 1, Troll) by jmorris on Monday November 06 2017, @03:49AM (8 children)

      by jmorris (4844) on Monday November 06 2017, @03:49AM (#592812)

      Yea, I saw that #fakenews too. This is a problem, especially since the government has adopted a policy of holding a shooter's ID for a couple of hours while they scrub every bit of his online presence they can find, leaving an information vacuum that #fakenews is all too happy to fill up. But the evidence is actually slowly pointing toward him being a SJW and perhaps even Antifa, just wouldn't be prudent to report it yet. As usual the 48 hour rule is wise policy. Or in the case of the Vegas shooter 48 days might not be enough.... or in the case of JFK it was more than 48 years.

      Then there was the massive lulz when 4chan managed to troll the #fakenews boss monster, CNN, into reporting the shooter as Sam Hyde. Long running gag of faking everything as the responsibility of Hyde, they are still slapping themselves on the back for pulling it off.

      • (Score: 4, Interesting) by takyon on Monday November 06 2017, @04:12AM

        by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Monday November 06 2017, @04:12AM (#592830) Journal

        Do we blame CNN for that, or Texas Congressman Vicente Gonzalez who said it on CNN?

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 06 2017, @04:24AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 06 2017, @04:24AM (#592840)

        reporting the shooter as Sam Hyde

        But it was him! Otherwise why would he try to hide Sam?

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 06 2017, @05:40AM (5 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 06 2017, @05:40AM (#592881)

        It drives me mad how stuff just gets disappeared when it doesn't fit the narrative.

        FWIW, here is a discussion involving somebody who knew him, and yeah it's Antifa or at least a copycat admirer associate.
        http://archive.is/E5bLZ [archive.is]

        (will that be disappeared too?)

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 06 2017, @06:18AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 06 2017, @06:18AM (#592890)

          Yeah, right, someone of 4chan says it, so it must be true.
          In the same page:
          How does he have so many virgin characteristics yet is not a virgin?

          was he a numale bugman leftycuck?

          What a stupid fucking question. Beer varies from like 1.5 to 10%

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 06 2017, @06:36AM (3 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 06 2017, @06:36AM (#592894)

          >Using an anonymous poster on /pol/ as a source

          You are a subhuman.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 06 2017, @06:53AM (2 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 06 2017, @06:53AM (#592901)

            And you are a 4chan cunt, still wet behind your ears.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 06 2017, @07:06AM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 06 2017, @07:06AM (#592908)

              Maybe I'll quit showering and bathing so I can be more like you.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 06 2017, @09:25AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 06 2017, @09:25AM (#592945)

                By all means, do so. The environment doesn't need to sustain scums like us.

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Phoenix666 on Monday November 06 2017, @03:55AM (23 children)

    by Phoenix666 (552) on Monday November 06 2017, @03:55AM (#592817) Journal

    I don't know what his political affiliation was nor do I care. It doesn't make his crime and more or less heinous. I would simply point out he could have killed everyone in the church by blocking all the exits and setting the building on fire. If you're gonna do evil, you'll find a way.

    So maybe we ought to cut the crap and finally tackle the dysfunction underlying all of this. This is all symptomatic of fundamental societal stress that has built so high all the crazies are starting to pop off spontaneously. Do we want to recognize that as the quite serious warning sign it is, or bury our heads in the sand a little while longer until everything can really cut loose into a general bloodbath?

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 06 2017, @04:09AM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 06 2017, @04:09AM (#592826)

      It will be interesting watching the 2018 riots as a bystander.

      • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Monday November 06 2017, @04:30AM (1 child)

        by Phoenix666 (552) on Monday November 06 2017, @04:30AM (#592846) Journal

        What part of the world do you think will permit you to remain a mere bystander? Certainly not Europe. Not East Asia. The Middle East, perhaps? Venezuela? If you're thinking Canada, lemme just point out that big ships sick down everything near them when they plunge to the bottom.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 06 2017, @04:31PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 06 2017, @04:31PM (#593151)

          I'm not speaking from the perspective of the nations that existed before N-day. There were plenty of rural areas that were minimally affected by the chaos that started in 2018.

    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 06 2017, @04:41AM (11 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 06 2017, @04:41AM (#592856)

      This is all symptomatic of fundamental societal stress that has built so high all the crazies are starting to pop off spontaneously.

      Profits shall not be stopped by a bunch of peons going crazy, you get me?

      Your masters (of political and/or economical nature) want you as dependent on their whim as possible; this runs contrary to letting you feel secure and stress-less.

      • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Monday November 06 2017, @05:03AM (10 children)

        by Phoenix666 (552) on Monday November 06 2017, @05:03AM (#592866) Journal

        I hear you, but is it because they're so unconcerned that they're installing panic rooms and building bunkers and travelling around in armored cars?

        When the French Revolution finally kicked off it didn't matter how armored the aristocracy's chateaus were.

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        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday November 06 2017, @06:40AM (7 children)

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday November 06 2017, @06:40AM (#592897) Journal

          When the French Revolution finally kicked off it didn't matter how armored the aristocracy's chateaus were.

          Unlike the French Revolution, it wouldn't take weeks of traveling in disguise to flee the country. Hop on a plane and you can be out of the country inside of six hours.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 06 2017, @06:55AM (6 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 06 2017, @06:55AM (#592902)

            And then what?

            • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday November 06 2017, @07:17AM (5 children)

              by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday November 06 2017, @07:17AM (#592914) Journal
              And then you're out of the revolution.
              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 06 2017, @09:28AM (1 child)

                by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 06 2017, @09:28AM (#592948)

                So, good riddance, we'll manage easier without them.

                • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday November 06 2017, @03:23PM

                  by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday November 06 2017, @03:23PM (#593089) Journal

                  So, good riddance, we'll manage easier without them.

                  Yes, we didn't need that prosperity anyway. There's a reason most people aren't on board with revolution. It's because the revolutionists completely ignore the harm they cause and are perfectly willing to starve the populace (in the process creating more inequality than they attempted to fix) for frivolous ideological reasons.

              • (Score: 3, Informative) by TheRaven on Monday November 06 2017, @09:45AM (2 children)

                by TheRaven (270) on Monday November 06 2017, @09:45AM (#592958) Journal
                And, more importantly, you have already passed laws / treaties allowing free movement of capital (sorry 'free trade treaties'), and spread enough of your wealth around the world that even if your country implodes you're rich as long as you can get to the plane.
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                • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Monday November 06 2017, @02:17PM (1 child)

                  by Phoenix666 (552) on Monday November 06 2017, @02:17PM (#593039) Journal

                  Currencies and markets totally wouldn't crash and erase that wealth immediately. Local warlords and gangsters totally wouldn't take advantage of the collapse of the American superpower to seize all that distributed wealth.

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                  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday November 06 2017, @03:25PM

                    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday November 06 2017, @03:25PM (#593092) Journal

                    Currencies and markets totally wouldn't crash and erase that wealth immediately.

                    Indeed. The wealth that couldn't be moved would probably be lost, but not everything outside of the country.

                    Local warlords and gangsters totally wouldn't take advantage of the collapse of the American superpower to seize all that distributed wealth.

                    There are other countries out there in the world.

        • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday November 06 2017, @06:45AM (1 child)

          by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Monday November 06 2017, @06:45AM (#592898) Journal

          but is it because they're so unconcerned that they're installing panic rooms and building bunkers and travelling around in armored cars?

          That has to be the last incarnation of "pissing down economy" (grin)

          Cause the next step is recruiting a personal army against violent riots - war like, can't speak of economy in the social sense.

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          • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Phoenix666 on Monday November 06 2017, @02:14PM

            by Phoenix666 (552) on Monday November 06 2017, @02:14PM (#593036) Journal

            I know with an apocalypse breaking out my first thought as a highly paid body guard would be to lay my life down for the rich dude whose electronic bank account in the Caymans will be instantly worthless instead of taking the fancy body armor, weapons, and evac chopper out to rescue and protect my own family.

            I hope when that happens said body guards snap pics of the look on the rich dude's face as they lift off, because it would be the most shared image of all time.

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    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday November 06 2017, @05:07AM (2 children)

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday November 06 2017, @05:07AM (#592868) Journal

      This is all symptomatic of fundamental societal stress that has built so high all the crazies are starting to pop off spontaneously.

      Crazies have been popping off for a long time. Wikipedia mentions US examples going back to the mid-19th century.

      I think societal stress would go down (hint! hint!), if people stopped seeing imaginary trends in one-time events.

      • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Monday November 06 2017, @02:23PM (1 child)

        by Phoenix666 (552) on Monday November 06 2017, @02:23PM (#593044) Journal

        That's another thing, there's never been a time when Americans haven't had a lot of guns. They have always had them. So why are there more of these incidents now when there weren't before? Why aren't there mass shootings every day in Switzerland, where every adult has a military assault rifle in his closet? If prevalence of guns explains shootings like these, then why don't they have them?

        People calling for gun control want the killings to stop. I want them to stop, too. But taking the guns away will not stop the killing. It will only change the method of killing.

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        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday November 06 2017, @03:17PM

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday November 06 2017, @03:17PM (#593084) Journal

          So why are there more of these incidents now when there weren't before?

          More incidents than when? I don't actually see the alleged increase in these incidents. Keep in mind that we have almost 350 million people in the US now.

          Why aren't there mass shootings every day in Switzerland, where every adult has a military assault rifle in his closet?

          There are 40 times as many US residents as there are Swiss (even at the start 377 mass shoots would correspond to 9 mass shootings in Switzerland, thus no daily mass shootings even at US rates per capita). The US is much more diverse and divisive ethnically and doesn't have the common interest that a common culture like the Swiss have (including better relationships between law enforcement and citizens). The war on drugs is more perverse in the US, for example, and that is a big driver of both mass shootings and of mental illness contributing to mass shootings (I'm of the opinion that widespread recreational drug use, both legal and illegal, especially when coupled with binging behavior common in the US, tends to cause more mental illness than it helps).

          And maybe there's less mass shootings in Switzerland because everyone knows that every male adult has a military assault rifle in his closet?

    • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 06 2017, @05:10AM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 06 2017, @05:10AM (#592870)

      Probably not as most, if not all, churches have windows that could be broken in that kind of a situation. It never ceases to amaze me the degree to which the pro-murderers out there will concoct in their attempt to avoid responsibility for their irresponsible stance on the issue.

      The reality is that without access to a firearm of this type that it would have been far, far harder to commit this sort of crime than you're suggesting. Limiting the number of rounds in a magazine, proper background checks, actually limiting firearms to weapons that are appropriate for hunting would all have made this crime impossible. Sure, he might have shot a few people, but if he was only able to shoot a half dozen rounds before reloading, that would have given at least some people time to escape.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 06 2017, @07:21AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 06 2017, @07:21AM (#592917)

        Pro-murderers? Are people who oppose the NSA's mass surveillance pro-terrorist? Some people believe that freedom is more important than safety. You might not agree with their stance, but that does not mean they are in favor of murder.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 06 2017, @09:32AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 06 2017, @09:32AM (#592950)

          You might not agree with their stance, but that does not mean they are in favor of murder.

          Yeah, I reckon in this case the correct term is "righteous killing" (large trollish grin)

      • (Score: 2) by AssCork on Monday November 06 2017, @06:18PM

        by AssCork (6255) on Monday November 06 2017, @06:18PM (#593213) Journal

        I'm not going to call you a troll, but I find it interesting that you speak to these views under the guise of the common good, but wont let your name be tied to them.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 06 2017, @07:49PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 06 2017, @07:49PM (#593272)

      this is right. we need to be home schooling/neighborhood schooling children and teaching the hell out of them so that they graduate with skills that are useful and are cable of building a future for themselves. these people have no skills(except maybe shooting), no hope and are mentally ill.