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Federal authorities are responding to a shooting at the First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, Texas, a small community southeast of San Antonio.
In a press conference Sunday night, an official from the Texas Department of Public Safety described the scene: Around 11:20 am, the suspect, dressed in black, approached the church and began firing an assault rifle. He then entered the church and continued firing.
Gov. Greg Abbott confirmed that at least 26 people were killed. A Texas Department of Public Safety official said the ages of the victims ranged from 5 to 72 years old. The AP reports that the pastor's 14-year-old daughter is among the dead.
The Department of Public Safety confirmed to NPR that at least 20 others were wounded. A DPS official said in the press conference that the gunman was confronted by an armed civilian outside of the church.
The shooter, who was found dead in neighboring Guadalupe County, has been identified as Devin Kelley, 26, a former Air Force member.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by c0lo on Monday November 06 2017, @06:39AM (11 children)
Really? Please feel free to link some statistics showing that EU is less safe a place to live than US, I'm sure the info will shut the mouth of those pesky Europeans. An easy job, I trust.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 06 2017, @07:13AM (1 child)
They are entirely different cultures, so even showing a lower murder rate in European countries would not be sufficient evidence to prove that gun control is all that effective. The US is fighting a very large-scale war on drugs, for example, so there are too many factors involved here.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday November 06 2017, @08:20AM
If that is what you imply, I will agree with your assertion that, in the eye of a differently cultured European, the USians look like... well.. a bit on the savage side.
But the question is: will such a statistic show that the AC to which I was replying actually need a gun to feel safer in Europe than in US?
Refreshing the context, here's what AC was saying;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by linkdude64 on Monday November 06 2017, @07:29AM (6 children)
Actually, the places in Europe that are less violent are only the ones where there is a far higher concentration of people of the same race and culture. The more diverse it gets, the higher the incidence of acid and knife attacks and the like. This seems to be a very strong correlation, but I know you're not a racist, so there must be some other factor at play, here, right? What do you surmise it could be?
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday November 06 2017, @07:48AM (1 child)
Culture. There is nothing about being of Arab extraction per se that predisposes someone to being an acid attacker. There is everything about being a Muslim that does. Yes, i know, Islam is a religion, but it's very tightly integrated with aspects of life most people would refer to as culture.
Nice try, Link.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by linkdude64 on Monday November 06 2017, @06:55PM
I actually used the word culture in my comment, but said nothing about muslims.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday November 06 2017, @08:25AM (3 children)
Coming from a guy with the 'linkdude64', I was sorta expecting to have at least one link supporting his assertion.
Really, is an explicit [Citation needed] necessary?
(bluntly speaking: do you expect me to accept you assertion without a shred of evidence? Because, lacking it, your invitation into surmising is an exercise in futility)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 06 2017, @05:54PM
Yes he does, cause his preconceptions and personal beliefs are NOT TO BE QUESTIONED!
(Score: 3, Insightful) by linkdude64 on Monday November 06 2017, @06:57PM (1 child)
Do you require a citation that the sky is blue?
How many truck, acid, and knife attacks did you hear about weekly in Europe before the refugee migration? Or were you born yesterday, and so you haven't ever known a Europe that was free of terrorist bombings and the like?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 06 2017, @10:07PM
why have high school kids in europe been arrested for riding their bikes up to people they dont like and throwing acid on them and pedaling away? in regards to gangs and girl problems?
One 15 year old kid even said it is a lot easier and less stressful than actually knifing or fighting, just throw a cup of acid and run away. they won't be able to chase you. the only real fear is to get caught.
they arent even trying to get guns
you may be correct in that this was an imported behavior, but like all culture, people appropriate what works for them. and this helps them cause harm more effectively than the old way, of getting in a fight and possibly getting hurt during it as well as arrested. throwing acid has proven to be very effective in causing the most harm to a specific target--and being able to get away with it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 06 2017, @03:07PM
The EU was for quite some time mostly homogenous. I used to shudder at that 'homogeneity' which I thought was mostly lazy logic for racists since it mostly just relied on circular logic that assumed itself. However, the rapid and widespread migration within the EU has actually created a solid experiment. And the reality is that as countries like the UK have become more 'diverse', their crime rates have skyrocketed. Through the end of 2015 [telegraph.co.uk] in England/Wales sexual offenses were up 36%, violent crime up 27%, homicide up 14%, etc, etc.. Sweden saw [www.bra.se] overall crime victimization increase 19.5% with sexual offenses skyrocketing up 70% in a single year. The increases in crime seem to be bidirectionally linked to increases in 'diversity.' In other words countries less 'diversity' mapped to less crime as more diversity also mapped to higher crime.
It's still quite evident that most of anywhere in the EU is safer than most of anywhere in the US, at least in aggregates. But on the other hand that's setting the bar quite low. America, again as an aggregate, is literally the most unsafe place in the developed world. It's like comparing your economic status to the guy under the bridge. By the time that's not an entirely ridiculous comparison, you're long since in some serious trouble.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday November 06 2017, @04:14PM
https://soylentnews.org/~Runaway1956/journal/1674 [soylentnews.org]
You can start with that. Factor in that the Home Office has changed definitions, and changed the way they do accounting to hide many murders from the statisticians. Also factor in that the UK is one of the better parts of the EU. Or, rather, Europe. There are hell holes in Europe, just as there are Chicagos in the US. As good or as bad as our own illegal aliens may be, those in Europe are much worse. Most of the US is indeed safer to live in than many parts of Europe. You've been buffaloed if you believe differently.