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We have a recent report by the US government that climate change is almost certainly caused by humans. However, we don't have the same rigor in gun death statistics; instead policy debate can rely only on FBI crime statistics which aren't directly comparable year-over-year due to changing measurement methodology (see "Caution to users").
This is because the NRA put pressure on the CDC through a Republican Congress to halt this research, under the logic that it promotes the cause of gun control.
But how likely is it that this is intentional, to use the US Second Amendment as an ongoing lightning rod for public attention (in a "bread and circuses" sense) while political business continues as usual on the back end (e.g. Paradise Papers)? Obama and a Democratic congress had the opportunity to restart this, which would presumably be just as "common sense" as the actual reforms they have been promoting on this issue, since whoever was actually supported by the facts would presumably have a motivation to set the program back in motion to improve support for their proposals.
(Score: 1, Troll) by jmorris on Thursday November 09 2017, @03:17AM (10 children)
Yup, I'm just too stupid to realize how many NRA members go out and mass murder. Hint: zero. Nada. Zip.
I'm too goddamned stupid I believe mental patients who somehow aren't put in the database to be barred from buying guns isn't the result of incompetence, but a deliberate plan to create mayhem for Prog politicians to harvest. Only a moron could believe evil people could do something evil like that. Ya know, the sort people, probably just like you, that support abortion which has now passed Hitler's body count.
And why are you people so hung up on guns anyway? When one of the pet Muslims you idiots imported ran amok in NYC with a truck we joked about banning trucks... then some of you fucking morons actually took it seriously and now there is real discussions about limiting vehicles. Maybe I'm just being stupid again, but isn't the problem people wanting to kill people? And isn't it amazing how accurate a predictor political affiliation is.... almost every one of these defectives is a Democrat. Is it really stupid to wonder if your obsession with guns isn't just an attempt at distracting everyone from noticing who is killing who?
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 09 2017, @03:48AM (3 children)
> how many NRA members go out and mass murder. Hint: zero. Nada. Zip.
We know this because Chris Cox, the executive director of the NRA’s lobbying arm [cnsnews.com] said it on Fox News.
(Score: 2, Flamebait) by jmorris on Thursday November 09 2017, @04:07AM (2 children)
No moron, we know it is true because if ONE member of the NRA were to ever do a mass murder the media would make damned sure every person on the planet knew. They media have not done so therefore it hasn't happened. q.e.d.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by number11 on Thursday November 09 2017, @04:24AM
Most people who own guns don't see any reason to waste their money sending it to the NRA. I have no idea if any NRA members have become mass murderers (I suspect the NRA would erase any record of their membership as fast as possible), but I suspect it shouldn't be hard to find some have become individual murderers. Hell, give me a copy of the membership list, and I'll do the research.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 09 2017, @04:36AM
The NRA is ultimately responsible. Those bumpstocks and assault weapons will never be illegal because if we did something effective about gun violence it would make it hard for them to fund-raise and they'd have to actually make a valid argument about why people need guns in the first place.
The kinds of weapons that people use for hunting place a limit on how many people can be killed in a mass shooting. It's why most other countries with strict gun control laws don't have mass shootings on this scale. And for there to be more than one in a given year is completely unprecedented elsewhere.
People like you are ultimately responsible for arming these psychos and yet, you're too damned ignorant to see the connection between the weapons and the violence. We literally lose as many people in 3 months as we did in 9/11 and we can't get even modest gun control regulation because people like you don't give a crap about the consequences.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by maxwell demon on Thursday November 09 2017, @07:20AM (3 children)
You now have to be an NRA member to be allowed to own a gun in America?
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by jmorris on Thursday November 09 2017, @08:04AM (2 children)
I'm simply applying Alinsky's rules to you, specifically the one where I can demand you obey your own book of rules. The NRA is the nation's oldest existing civil rights organization, devoted to protecting the RTKBA ensured (but NOT created or defined by) the 2nd Amendment. It is declared out of bounds, by the Blue Team, to hold a civil rights organization responsible for collateral damage from upholding a fundamental right. So the only remaining explanation for the constant blaming of the NRA for every mass murder that is committed with a firearm must be some belief that NRA members are personally committing the crimes and that is demonstrably untrue.
The ACLU convinced the courts to legalize pretty much all porno not involving children or animals, (and some of the animal stuff) yet we can't hold them to account for the massive social costs. Feminists destroyed the family, leaving millions of children to be raised in less effective single parent situations, can we lay that social cost on the steps of NOW gang? The ACLU has agitated for the release of almost uncountable quantities of criminals who have went on to slaughter, rape and plunder an almost equally large number of new victims but again, we can't lay blame on them for upholding civil liberties.... even ones that were never considered to exist until they invented them. The open borders crowd equally disclaims responsibility for that slaughter, the ones bringing in militant Muslims who proceed to do what militant Muslims do piously proclaim their own innocence. And so on, with only one glaring exception. People who loudly and annoyingly hold every one of the beliefs above will proclaim that the NRA is responsible for each and every death by firearm.
That is horseshit. I call it out and reject the premise behind the dishonest arguments advanced to support that unsupportable position.
(Score: 3, Touché) by maxwell demon on Thursday November 09 2017, @08:29AM
Do you even know my book of rules? Hint: I'm not a member of any "team", let alone any American one. (And I have no idea who Allinsky is.)
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 09 2017, @05:11PM
Wow, you really are a walking propaganda victim. It is clear you have bought into the fear and anger being sold.
The NRA does take some blame you knucklehead, they've made it very hard to implement any kind of gun control. We have sufficient measures in place, not a whole lot more is needed, but the loop holes need to be closed.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 09 2017, @08:19AM (1 child)
Texas Church Shooter: Life time member of the NRA!
Adam Lanza: Mother was a Life time member of the NRA!
Ted Bundy: member of the NRA
Rand Paul: Liver time member of the NRA!
Ammon Bundy: Life-time member of the NRA!
jmorris: not a member of the NRA, and not very good about the whole "facts" thing.
(Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Thursday November 09 2017, @04:06PM
Er, are you saying that a sitting U.S. senator went on a killing spree? When was that?
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"