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Study Suggests Women Less Likely to Get CPR From Bystanders
Women are less likely than men to get CPR from a bystander and more likely to die, a new study suggests, and researchers think reluctance to touch a woman's chest might be one reason.
Only 39 percent of women suffering cardiac arrest in a public place were given CPR versus 45 percent of men, and men were 23 percent more likely to survive, the study found. It involved nearly 20,000 cases around the country and is the first to examine gender differences in receiving heart help from the public versus professional responders.
"It can be kind of daunting thinking about pushing hard and fast on the center of a woman's chest" and some people may fear they are hurting her, said Audrey Blewer, a University of Pennsylvania researcher who led the study. Rescuers also may worry about moving a woman's clothing to get better access, or touching breasts to do CPR, but doing it properly "shouldn't entail that," said another study leader, U Penn's Dr. Benjamin Abella. "You put your hands on the sternum, which is the middle of the chest. In theory, you're touching in between the breasts."
The study was discussed Sunday at an American Heart Association conference in Anaheim.
Get touchy and save women's lives.
Also at Penn Medicine and the American Heart Association. Journal of the American College of Cardiology.
Other study mentioned in the AP article: Sexual Activity as a Trigger for Sudden Cardiac Arrest (DOI: 10.1016/j.jacc.2017.09.025) (DX)
Related study: Sex-Based Disparities in Incidence, Treatment, and Outcomes of Cardiac Arrest in the United States, 2003-2012. (DOI: 10.1161/JAHA.116.003704) (DX)
(Score: 4, Insightful) by JoeMerchant on Tuesday November 14 2017, @08:09PM (21 children)
>Guys are scared of some sort of sexual assault claim by women.
Whether legal, social, or otherwise - this is true.
Also, that statement about pressing on the sternum should not entail touching breasts - depends entirely upon the breasts in question (and remember, we're talking about heart attack cases), the sternum is definitely "in the neighborhood."
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(Score: 5, Interesting) by Entropy on Tuesday November 14 2017, @08:33PM (20 children)
I can't find a reference, but some guy was accused of kidnapping(and charged!) for trying to help a lost crying child in a department store. He was thankfully let go after being pressured to take a plea deal but with the current "males are the devil", and especially "white males are the devil" feelings of a lot of society looking out for the welfare of others is just not going to happen if you're in one of those discriminated-against classes for things like this.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 14 2017, @08:51PM
The correct thing to do is to flag somebody else down and ask them to accompany you while you locate a Mall cop. Even if people ignore you, you'll have multiple witnesses that heard you start "excuse me, this young child is lost".
(Score: 2) by RS3 on Tuesday November 14 2017, @09:34PM
Try to always have another adult present as a witness, and best is to be sure you're on video. I guess everyone will have to wear body cameras from now on.
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Tuesday November 14 2017, @09:35PM (8 children)
A plea deal is not "being let go." A plea deal, should, involve lawyers court time and lots of stress while waiting for the outcome, at least several weeks of this guy's life were screwed up by this.
Being let go is walking away from the scene and never hearing about it again.
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(Score: 3, Insightful) by Snow on Tuesday November 14 2017, @11:23PM (5 children)
A plea deal means he had to plead guilty.
Hardly getting off scott-free...
(Score: 3, Insightful) by JoeMerchant on Wednesday November 15 2017, @12:31AM (4 children)
Once you're "in the system" pleading guilty can be the smart and self-serving thing to do.
We knew a family practice lawyer who got hit with a hear-say case about inappropriate sexual conduct with a minor. He could have fought it, with the number of "witnesses" they had (two or three with circumstantial evidence that might back up the "victim"'s story, plus the minor who had already recorded 3 conflicting accounts of the alleged misconduct, and several others with even less credible testimony to give) it would have drug on for years with an uncertain outcome. Instead, he plead guilty and got a 2 year sentence in a nice prison. Even if he fought and "won," the 2 years in prison is a far preferable way to spend your life compared to daily stress in court facing people who are stretching the truth, outright lying, springing surprises, and generally screwing with your life for something you didn't do.
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(Score: 4, Interesting) by mhajicek on Wednesday November 15 2017, @03:45AM (3 children)
Plea deals are a travesyof justice. Either you can proove your accusation or not. The vast majority of cases are never tried, because the threat of trial is enough to make a guilty plea the wise choice in each individual case regardless of actual guilt, therefore an accusation is all that's needed to convict.
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(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Wednesday November 15 2017, @04:00AM
>Plea deals are a travesyof justice
They absolutely are, and they are the pragmatic reality of our justice system, ergo: our justice system is a travesty.
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(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 15 2017, @07:23AM
I'm a lawyer. There is an undefinable element of pure chance in every trial. People like to wax about how our system seeks truth and justice or say if you are innocent you should fight -- that's all bullshit when there is every likelihood that you will be convicted based on how someone misinterprets things or what their prejudices are. And god forbid you don't behave like a Hallmark card sterotype -- innocent or not you're fucked.
(Score: 2) by urza9814 on Wednesday November 15 2017, @09:40PM
And, because they aren't spending any time trying to actually prove someone guilty in court, they get to spend that time out on the street fucking up someone else's life too!
If more people actually took their cases to court the courts would be so backed up they'd have to drop prosecution on all the petty bullshit for lack of funding/staff.
(Score: 2) by Entropy on Wednesday November 15 2017, @09:16AM (1 child)
I was unclear. They tried to get him to plead guilty(plea deal) to some other bs offense, likely in exchange for probation. He stuck to his guns, and they backed down--They did not take it to court. I can't imagine the level of stress this guy had, and it took real guts to not take the "easy" way out. He had to face potentially years in prison(and people that scare the crap out of other people for a living) to stick with his principals and that he didn't do anything wrong--even though he was male. We all know if a female was in that situation she never would have gotten charged. (Though to me fair a transexual should probably just run away immediately.)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 15 2017, @01:00PM
Better, but still Wrong.
Our kids have autism, and we have had to "abduct" them from public places many times - it's remarkable how few people ever get remotely involved - it happens, and it has always turned out low stress and good for us, but it's really rare.
(Score: 3, Informative) by edIII on Tuesday November 14 2017, @09:52PM (8 children)
This is true. I was in a public space in a situation in which I wanted, and needed, to help a child. My first thought was being afraid that other adults would think I was some creepy pervy child molester. Thankfully, I found a woman close by that was able to help the child with me.
If I were all alone in a park, you bet I would be nervous as hell about helping a child in need. For guys, you always need to find other people and witnesses to help you help others. It's too easy to be labeled something that doesn't go away that easily.
I've not had to give CPR to a woman, but I did give the Heimlich once. I'll admit I was fairly uncomfortable touching her breasts during it, and I'm sure I didn't do it exactly right as I had no previous training at all. I was sincerely afraid that I was hurting her too. Thank God we cleared out whatever was stopping her from breathing.
Probably the best thing for men to do in these situations is to pull out their smartphone and just start recording, even if only audio.
Technically, lunchtime is at any moment. It's just a wave function.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Sulla on Tuesday November 14 2017, @10:49PM (2 children)
I was in the store the other day and one of my twins decided it was the right time to lose his shit. Naturally being in public and not wanting to be a total asshole I decided to take my screaming kid back to the truck. I just walked with conviction with the kid over my shoulder and hoped nobody called me on it. If I were to ever be called on this I would have nothing on me that I could use to prove that it was my kid. I suppose if you could calm the kid down they might be convinced to call you dad or whatever, but I kind of doubt if a kid is losing it for some reason in a store you will be able to calm it down enough when dealing with that level of bullshit.
I just don't go out anymore.
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(Score: 4, Insightful) by Snow on Tuesday November 14 2017, @11:27PM
Hmm, this sounds like a problem public/private key cryptography and tatoos could solve.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 15 2017, @07:23AM
I've had to do this several times. at least my son looks exactly like me, so it's extremely unlikely I'd need to convince someone I'm the father.
luckily they do gradually calm down after they reach 3...
(Score: 3, Insightful) by isostatic on Tuesday November 14 2017, @11:49PM (4 children)
I did give the Heimlich once. I'll admit I was fairly uncomfortable touching her breasts during it,
right...
I'm sure I didn't do it exactly right
No shit, you were 6" too high.
(Score: 3, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 15 2017, @12:09AM (2 children)
Depends on how old she was. He could have been 6" low.
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Wednesday November 15 2017, @12:43AM (1 child)
Thank you!
Best chuckle today... Now I can't get rid of that mental picture of horrible, wrinkly, dangling wobbling sacs of.....ewwwwww....
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 19 2017, @04:43AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQwaxGwUC2k [youtube.com]
(Score: 4, Insightful) by edIII on Wednesday November 15 2017, @12:39AM
Technically, lunchtime is at any moment. It's just a wave function.