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Linux overlord Linus Torvalds has offered some very choice words about different approaches security, during a discussion about whitelisting features proposed for version 4.15 of the Linux kernel. Torvalds' ire was directed at open software aficionado and member of Google's Pixel security team Kees Cook, who he has previously accused of idiocy. Cook earned this round of shoutiness after he posted a request to "Please pull these hardened usercopy changes for v4.15-rc1."
[...] Torvalds has long been unafraid to express himself in whatever language he chooses on the kernel and has earned criticism for allowing it to become a toxic workplace. He's shrugged off those accusations with an argument that his strong language is not personal, as he is defending Linux rather than criticising individuals. On this occasion his strong language is directed at a team and Cook's approach to security, rather than directly at Cook himself. It's still a nasty lot of language to have directed at anyone.
Some 'security people are f*cking morons' says Linus Torvalds
[Reference]: [GIT PULL] usercopy whitelisting for v4.15-rc1
[Linus' Response]: Re: [GIT PULL] usercopy whitelisting for v4.15-rc1
(Score: 4, Insightful) by MostCynical on Tuesday November 21 2017, @05:36AM (10 children)
being right doesn't stop him being a rude pain in the arse (ass)
"I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 21 2017, @05:45AM (3 children)
I've just realised something.
Hold onto your hats, guys, this is big.
If you don't like Linus, you can ... choose not to deal with him.
I know, it's crazy-pants talk, I know, but I'm pretty sure this is how this one works.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday November 21 2017, @04:31PM (2 children)
Your solution is too radical. Heroes and Villains must be pure black or pure white. No gray. Congress should mandate wearing of pure black or white clothing as a visual aid.
To transfer files: right-click on file, pick Copy. Unplug mouse, plug mouse into other computer. Right-click, paste.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 21 2017, @09:30PM (1 child)
I'm true neutral, you insensitive clod!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 22 2017, @03:56AM
You can combine them in a striped pattern. [wikipedia.org]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 21 2017, @07:01AM (1 child)
Linus, TMB, or MDC? I am having a hard time keeping track.
(Score: 2) by MostCynical on Tuesday November 21 2017, @07:29AM
I didn't specify, but will claim that I was (trying to be) on-topic.
:-)
"I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
(Score: 2) by crafoo on Tuesday November 21 2017, @01:34PM (2 children)
Linus cannot fire these people. If he could, maybe he would be nicer to them because he knows he won't have his team's time wasted dealing with their fantasy-land security patches. No one sends you off into the world with a guarantee that when you do something stupid you're not going to get your feelings hurt. We don't need to be spiteful or mean, but we should be able to deal with harsh criticism. Yes, that's what this is, harsh criticism. Linus provided a pretty good explanation of what they did wrong and what they need to improve, and how. Perfectly reasonable response in my opinion and I thank him for it.
(Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Tuesday November 21 2017, @03:52PM (1 child)
Maybe not, but is there any reason he couldn't just stop accepting their contributions?
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 21 2017, @10:35PM
That is what he did.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 21 2017, @08:19PM
Who cares? No effective person is going to sit down and respectfully discuss an idea they think is completely stupid. This is engineering, not flower arranging.