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on Tuesday November 21 2017, @08:12AM
from the it's-not-YOUR-computer-any-more dept.
from the it's-not-YOUR-computer-any-more dept.
Quoted from the http://tidbits.com/article/17633: "If you're running macOS 10.12 Sierra or earlier, and do not want to upgrade to 10.13 High Sierra right now, be careful because Apple has started pushing High Sierra to older Macs and making it all too easy to upgrade inadvertently." [...]
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(Score: 5, Informative) by RedBear on Tuesday November 21 2017, @10:50AM (8 children)
Sorry, but Apple does not "push" automatic OS updates a la Windows 10. It gets downloaded in the background, but it's still just an installer app sitting in the Applications folder. I've seen that notification offering to install the new OS in previous versions of Mac OS X. I've only ever seen it appear a couple of times and then it seems to stop showing up even if you don't upgrade. You can "hide" updates in the App Store (Software Update) application, but I don't know for certain if that would keep the notification from appearing.
It's my understanding that even if you hit that Install button on the notification you still need to go through a couple of steps in the installer application that pops up. If you don't want to install, you just quit the installer. It doesn't just reboot your Mac and start the upgrade without any further interaction. At least that's how it's always been in OS X in all the versions I've been involved with. Which is all of them up to El Capitan (10.11, they're talking about 10.13).
Unless something has drastically changed with Apple since El Capitan, this is basically hyperventilating BS which has appeared with virtually every OS X upgrade. The only way to install the update without wanting to is to simply have no idea what you're doing with a computer. Which, admittedly, is a widespread condition.
For general system or application updates a very similar notification appears that has the options "Install" and "Later v". You can get rid of those by sliding them off the screen or simply clicking the main body of the notification and then quitting the Software Update window that pops up. These things are really no big deal. And there's none of that Windows-esque "Oh, you wanted to shut down? How nice, I'll now spend 45 minutes auto-installing all the updates you didn't want me to install right now, even though you really need to go somewhere which is why you were shutting down."
Macs don't do that crap unless you tell them to. I will eat my hat and never upgrade to Sierra or later if it turns out I'm mistaken. Which is a strong possibility anyway since Apple no longer makes any computer worth buying, and probably won't until Tim Cook is booted out. The man seems to want to reduce Apple to selling nothing but expensive fashion statements.
¯\_ʕ◔.◔ʔ_/¯ LOL. I dunno. I'm just a bear.
... Peace out. Got bear stuff to do. 彡ʕ⌐■.■ʔ
(Score: 2) by coolgopher on Tuesday November 21 2017, @01:36PM (5 children)
Actually, I discovered they still sell the mid-2015 MacBook Pro which has the sane features - i.e. magsafe, and no idiotic touchbar.
That could very well be the last Mac I buy. *sigh*
(Score: 4, Insightful) by RedBear on Tuesday November 21 2017, @02:42PM (4 children)
I hear that kind of thing a lot these days.
I have two 17" Unibody MacBook Pros. A 2009 and 2011. The 2011 was bought used, as a backup in case the 2009 died. I like the size of the screen, especially as I get older and have more difficulty with tiny high resolution screens with ridiculously tiny text. You have to use it to understand. My wife phrased it thusly, "Wow, this is almost like using my iMac. There's so much room, and everything is big enough to see." This can't be replicated with a smaller screen no matter how many pixels you stuff into it. I hate all of Apple's new stuff, even before the Touch Bar and the "no you can't have all those useful ports, why, because we said so".
When these two MBPs can no longer be revived or replaced, I honestly don't know what I'll move on to. There is nothing comparable in existence that isn't an ugly plastic multi-colored monstrosity. Apple shows no signs of ever making a new 17" or even 16" MBP. What's this rolling down my cheek? Is it a tear of infinite sadness? Yes... yes, I think it is.
¯\_ʕ◔.◔ʔ_/¯ LOL. I dunno. I'm just a bear.
... Peace out. Got bear stuff to do. 彡ʕ⌐■.■ʔ
(Score: 2) by TheRaven on Tuesday November 21 2017, @05:28PM (1 child)
I wasn't convinced by the touchbar, but a couple of my colleagues have got them and they're surprisingly useful - the escape key is still the corner so your fingers can find it (so vi users are happy) and it's programmable by applications, so you they can have context-specific shortcuts that aren't as confusing as the behaviour of a function key changing depending on the selection.
That said, I still have a late 2013 MBP, in spite of our policy of upgrades after three years, because 32GB of RAM is the one upgrade that I actually want and it's not available yet. I had been blaming Intel for not supporting LPDDR4, but Dell has managed to put 32GB of DDR4L into a laptop and there's only a 15% power difference between LPDDR4 and DDR4L.
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(Score: 4, Informative) by RedBear on Tuesday November 21 2017, @07:54PM
I wouldn't care about the Touch Bar if it had been just an addition. What I can't tolerate is the removal of physical media keys that have been basically the same for 20 years, that I can practically use by reflex now even in the dark. To have those not be reliably accessible without going through an extra step is not acceptable to me. Touch interfaces are useless unless you're looking at them, which car manufacturers have to keep rediscovering.
But even if that problem were solved, the increased cost, poor battery life, lack of higher memory capacity, lack of upgradeability, and lack of any of the common ports I'm still constantly using are all bridges that I cannot cross. The Touch Bar is almost the least of the issues with the latest MBPs. Just saw another Apple pro on YouTube a few days ago do a hardcore panning of the current MBP which he said he would NEVER, EVER BUY, and he was far from the first one to say that.
¯\_ʕ◔.◔ʔ_/¯ LOL. I dunno. I'm just a bear.
... Peace out. Got bear stuff to do. 彡ʕ⌐■.■ʔ
(Score: 2) by ilsa on Tuesday November 21 2017, @07:00PM (1 child)
I've been buying the 2015s because a) I'm not paying an extra grand for what amounts to gimmicks, and b) the whole USB-C marketplace is just too unstable and I'm still not convinced that USB-C won't end up being a giant shitshow.
When Jobs still lived, he liked minimalism but (for the most part) within reason. Under Cook, Apple has gone minimalist to the point of absurdity, presumably to maximize their accessories revenue.
Can you believe that their USB-C power supplies don't even come with a cable? You have to buy the bloody USB-C cable *separately*! It's petty to the point of nonsensical.
(Score: 2) by RedBear on Tuesday November 21 2017, @08:08PM
I can and do believe it. They have certainly become a company that seems to want to nickel and dime their customers to death. Except their nickel and dime are $50 and $100. I estimated I would need about $300 worth of adapter dongles to replicate the ports I currently use, on top of the hundreds of dollars price increase for the new MBP. They've really lost their damn minds at Apple.
¯\_ʕ◔.◔ʔ_/¯ LOL. I dunno. I'm just a bear.
... Peace out. Got bear stuff to do. 彡ʕ⌐■.■ʔ
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 21 2017, @04:36PM (1 child)
[...] "You can "hide" updates in the App Store (Software Update) application, but I don't know for certain if that would keep the notification from appearing." [...]
Updates can only be hidden (when logged in) in the 'Purchased' section of the App Store. In the 'Updates' section (doesn't require login), updates cannot be hidden.
(Score: 2) by RedBear on Tuesday November 21 2017, @08:36PM
I don't believe that's correct. The latest OS X upgrade tends to appear as a big graphic "ad" in the Updates tab, and it can be hidden by right-clicking and choosing Hide from the context menu. After that it never appears in the Updates tab again. I forget whether it just says "Hide" or "Hide Update". Probably the latter.
In the Purchases tab the context menu item says "Hide Purchase". That's different from what I was talking about. Unless things have changed in Sierra/High Sierra.
In my experience the Updates tab does require login when you try to install 3rd-party application updates, at least if there are non-free apps you've purchased from the App Store.
¯\_ʕ◔.◔ʔ_/¯ LOL. I dunno. I'm just a bear.
... Peace out. Got bear stuff to do. 彡ʕ⌐■.■ʔ