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posted by Fnord666 on Saturday November 25 2017, @11:43PM   Printer-friendly
from the hypocritic-oath dept.

According to the AP, NY Times and a boat load of other AP carriers, the country boasting the loudest about how much of their energy needs are fulfilled by renewable sources, coal may be about to win out over one of the oldest forests still standing in Germany:

BERLIN (AP) — A court in western Germany says an ancient forest near the Belgian border can be chopped down to make way for a coal strip mine.

Cologne's administrative court ruled Friday against a legal complaint brought by the environmental group BUND that wanted to halt the clearance of much of the Hambach forest.

Hambach forest has become a focus of environmental protests against the expansion of a vast mine that supplies much of the coal used in nearby power plants.

The coal, a light brown variety called lignite, is considered one of the most polluting forms of fossil fuel.

Meanwhile their reactors are being systematically shut down and dismantled. But dirty coal use shows almost no decline.


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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 26 2017, @01:58AM (7 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 26 2017, @01:58AM (#601560)

    Dont worry, as you see above, the Morons have rationalised their stupidity already, and blinkered themselves to any actual facts.

    'We have managed to wrap nuclear in so much FUD and red tape that now it is too expensive to use! hurrah!'
    'Renewables! Renewables! dont worry, we dont need power ALL the time, we are prefectly happy with brownouts, and rare earth production facilities massive pollution footprints are in China, why would we give a shit?'
    'ALL RADIATION IS BAD, ITS EVIL, MADE BY HITLER, Except, you know, solar radiation, shining on our happy cells that make unicorns feel even cuter!'
    'What about the millions of dead caused by the nuclear industry! Coal is WAY more safer for people, because lung cancer is nice! Mine cave-ins happen to people who deserve it! (they should have lived in micro-appartments in the city and ridden pushbikes to the park to work on their lit-major like us!''

    And the outcome is things like this.

  • (Score: 4, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 26 2017, @02:17AM (3 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 26 2017, @02:17AM (#601565)

    Dear Mr. van Winkle,

    Welcome to the 21st Century.
    In the current timeframe, we have rechargeable batteries.
    There was concern about what to do with partially-depleted batteries from electric vehicles.
    That's a solved problem: Use them as stationary storage.

    Pumping water uphill when excess solar/wind is available has been known technology for decades.

    Solar thermal (salt) storage is also a working technology.

    Do open your eyes and look around.
    Feel free to ask questions.
    (We still speak a form of English and can probably understand the word you use.)

    .
    RADIATION IS BAD.

    Radiation in terrestrial power generation is unnecessary.
    Nukes are also the most expensive way to do things that aren't being shot into deep space.

    -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 26 2017, @03:35AM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 26 2017, @03:35AM (#601582)

      You play the condescending cocksucker well. Oh, wait, it's not just an act?

      • (Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 26 2017, @05:04AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 26 2017, @05:04AM (#601604)

        I'd engage in a battle of wits with you, but it wouldn't be fair of me to engage with someone who shows up half-armed.

        -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]

        • (Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 26 2017, @08:19AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 26 2017, @08:19AM (#601664)

          What a clever remark! Pity you didn't think of it.

          That chestnut has been variously attributed to Oscar Wilde, Mark Twain, and Winston Churchill. But not you.

          http://wordwizard.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1506 [wordwizard.com]

          Is Ownership the upper limit of your Originality?

  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 26 2017, @02:37AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 26 2017, @02:37AM (#601574)

    >'ALL RADIATION IS BAD, ITS EVIL, MADE BY HITLER, Except, you know, solar radiation, shining on our happy cells ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunshine_unit [wikipedia.org]

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by bzipitidoo on Sunday November 26 2017, @08:48PM (1 child)

    by bzipitidoo (4388) on Sunday November 26 2017, @08:48PM (#601817) Journal

    You betcha I'm afraid of nuclear power. You should be too.

    It's not that nuclear power can't be harnessed with reasonable safety. It can. The problem is that it won't be. Fukushima showed that. Though Japan is a wealthy nation, well able to afford all the measures needed to operate a nuclear power plant safely, the bean counting idiots in charge still cut corners to save a little money, and the result was a nuclear power plant that was guaranteed to fail if a big tsunami hit. They didn't understand, didn't care to understand, the recklessness and severity of the gambles they were taking. You shouldn't expect to do well if you join a high stakes poker game without at least knowing the odds of all the hands. You should expect to lose everything when the pros at the table peg you for a poseur and adjust their play accordingly. They played poker with Nature, using our money, bet big that Nature would never, ever get a straight flush, and lost.

    If you think Fukushima was a one time exception, and we've learned our lessons, then why didn't Chernobyl, and the dozens of lesser accidents, serve as a lesson to the operators of Fukushima?

    • (Score: 2) by darkfeline on Tuesday November 28 2017, @05:08AM

      by darkfeline (1030) on Tuesday November 28 2017, @05:08AM (#602348) Homepage

      You can only learn from your own mistakes.

      Who cares about what some foreign monkeys do? Oh sure, there's a news article, some place some where had an accident. Well, that sucks.

      A nuclear accident in your own country though, with yourself and your friends and family personally affected? People remember that one.

      The problem is, the natural reaction to such a lesson is not "Let's do better next time", but "No more nuclear, period". People are really bad at judging risk. People die in car accidents all the time, but one airplane accident in a decade and suddenly airplane ticket sales tank.

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