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posted by mrpg on Monday November 27 2017, @07:00AM   Printer-friendly
from the we-are-doomed dept.

We may be headed for an ice apocalypse which could result in the flooding of coastal cities before the end of this century. Glaciers in Antarctica may break and release ice, exposing taller cliffs, resulting in faster melting.

"In the past few years, scientists have identified marine ice-cliff instability as a feedback loop that could kickstart the disintegration of the entire West Antarctic ice sheet this century — much more quickly than previously thought."

[...] A wholesale collapse of Pine Island and Thwaites would set off a catastrophe. Giant icebergs would stream away from Antarctica like a parade of frozen soldiers. All over the world, high tides would creep higher, slowly burying every shoreline on the planet, flooding coastal cities and creating hundreds of millions of climate refugees.


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  • (Score: 3, Informative) by requerdanos on Monday November 27 2017, @03:57PM (2 children)

    by requerdanos (5997) Subscriber Badge on Monday November 27 2017, @03:57PM (#602081) Journal

    This ‘double ethical bind’ we frequently find ourselves in cannot be solved by any formula.

    ((You - your shrill mouth) + knock off the alarmist campaign) = solved

    Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest. I hope that means being both.

    Minimizing findings that detract from what you want to present and practicing deliberate confirmation bias on what you want to present is known as "charlatanism". This is a big fancy scientific word for "Lying" and practicing it makes you the reason that people widely ignore climate science reports--you make them unreliable. Hope this helps.

    Note: If you live in California and perhaps know Mr. Schneider, or if you know any scientists who also do this, please show them this article. Thanks.

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  • (Score: 3, Informative) by ankh on Tuesday November 28 2017, @02:31AM (1 child)

    by ankh (754) on Tuesday November 28 2017, @02:31AM (#602289) Homepage

    You can look this stuff up, or you can keep rebunking it.

    Here, Google wants to be your friend:
    https://www.metabunk.org/climate-scientist-says-scientists-should-consider-stretching-the-truth-stephen-schneider.t6850/ [metabunk.org]

    -----excerpt follows-------
    Rebuttals of this claim by Stephen Schneider:
    ...
    Before Stephen Schneider passed away in 2010 he wrote several rebuttals to these accusations. In general he explained the topic of the Discovery interview the quote comes from, which was the problem scientists face in media with limited time slots available to discuss complex scientific issues. Most often the last line(s) of his quote is omitted.
    The last lines being:
    "This 'double ethical bind' we frequently find ourselves in cannot be solved by any formula. Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest. I hope that means being both"

    Nov 1989 full rebuttal to Detroit News (above): here's a small piece
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    http://stephenschneider.stanford.edu/Publications/PDF_Papers/DetroitNews.pdf [stanford.edu]

    • (Score: 2) by gottabeme on Wednesday November 29 2017, @03:08AM

      by gottabeme (1531) on Wednesday November 29 2017, @03:08AM (#602790)

      LOL, you think that the frequently omitted last line of the quote (N.B. I did not omit it) absolves him? He's telling scientists that they should lie, as long as it's important enough. In other words, the ends justify the means.

      Typical leftist, trying but utterly failing to grasp principles. You think it's fine to lie to the public, as long as it's for what you consider a worthy cause.

      Oh, and check your chronological math: the APS News article is from 1996. Seems a bit strange for you to cite a rebuttal from 1989.