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The idea of suing a website might seem abhorrent to advocates of free speech on the internet, but maybe one case shows that it can be justified?
Whitefish Woman's Lawsuit Over 'Daily Stormer' Harassment Proceeding
The Missoulian is reporting [archive] that a Whitefish woman's lawsuit against a Nazi website is going forward.
Montana Public Radio reports that Andrew Anglin, publisher of The Daily Stormer, is being sued by an individual the website targeted because of the mother of Richard Spencer:
The Daily Stormer called for readers to harass her and her family over her dealings with the mother of white nationalist Richard Spencer.
Image of part of the complaint (PDF).
Northwestern Montana, however, has had some experience in dealing with neo-Nazis in the neighborhood.
(Score: 2) by lx on Friday December 08 2017, @01:42PM (25 children)
People complaining about lack of free speech on the internet tend to be Alt-Right and Nazi affiliated these days.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by FatPhil on Friday December 08 2017, @01:51PM (10 children)
Sargon did nothing wrong!
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 5, Informative) by LoRdTAW on Friday December 08 2017, @03:06PM (6 children)
Right. Because those wordings plant doubt by using rare/fringe cases to broadly paint over the issue to try and dilute it. Sure there are false rape accusations and blood thirsty jihad muslims lusting to murder innocent westerners. But there are many who are so afraid of these groups that they will use disinformation and character assassination to marginalize and oppress these groups.
(Score: 5, Touché) by nitehawk214 on Friday December 08 2017, @03:21PM (5 children)
Couldn't you say that the statement "People complaining about lack of free speech on the internet tend to be Alt-Right and Nazi affiliated these days." is using an overly broad brush and that not everyone in favor of free speech is alt-right or a nazi?
Or did you want to skip right to character assassination to marginalize and oppress these groups?
"Don't you ever miss the days when you used to be nostalgic?" -Loiosh
(Score: 2) by LoRdTAW on Friday December 08 2017, @04:06PM
What?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 08 2017, @08:08PM (3 children)
Or did you want to skip right to character assassination to marginalize and oppress these groups?
I would be more in favor of concentration camps, and then tribunals and summary execution, but we might try de-Nazification, like we did after WWII. The turn of phrase is that the neo-Nazis have "weaponized" free speech.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday December 09 2017, @03:35AM (2 children)
Just so you know, summary executions don't require camps, tribunals, or any of the other trappings of law, no matter how unjust the law might be. Summary executions are just - you know - summary. I decide that you die, I pull the trigger, and it's all over but the crying.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 09 2017, @09:39AM (1 child)
Silly Arkansawite! Do they no longer have civic classes in your high-schools? Of course they require these things to maintain the "cover" of law. It is just like when you are fucking the livestock, and you pretend that since you "own" them, that this is part of the deal. But, you know, it does not? So, no summary animal husbandry, OK? Runaway? Please? And no sexting of such encounters, because, you know. swine do not have smartphones, so there really is no point.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday December 09 2017, @04:52PM
As usual, when AC attempts to be cute and witty, he fails. THIS is a summary execution: http://craniorectalectomy.com/images/saigon_execution.jpg [craniorectalectomy.com]
(Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Friday December 08 2017, @04:29PM
Whether your claim about being "deplatformed" is true or not, the issue is one of liberty. Without the ability to reliably and with sufficient bandwidth, self-host, you're forced to deal with private third-parties who can censor you at their whim.
So you can deal with it or you can work with your neighbors to get community-owned/operated last mile symmetric internet services (preferably FTTH) and force ISPs to compete for your business. Unless and until you do so, you're vulnerable to censorship by whoever owns your hosting platform.
So the answer is clear, it's just not easy to fight the anti-competitive ISP oligopoly and their paid shills^W^W buddies over at ALEC [alec.org].
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 0, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 08 2017, @06:48PM (1 child)
As reported to the police, it's 84% false accusation. Most of these won't go to trial; the percentage at trial is lower but I don't know that number.
Typical motives: to cover up an affair, to avoid being in trouble with parents, relationship failure
(Score: 2, Insightful) by t-3 on Friday December 08 2017, @08:44PM
Citation?
(Score: 2) by BK on Friday December 08 2017, @02:43PM (3 children)
Unless [gizmodo.com] they're [salon.com] not. [telegraph.co.uk] ..... [bet.com]
I've been meaning to put one of these into the story queue for a couple of days.
...but you HAVE heard of me.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by chromas on Friday December 08 2017, @03:02PM (1 child)
One man's opinion is another man's hatespeech. I bet there'd be a ton of articles about "misogyny" and "toxic masculinity" if the posts were "women are trash". I don't see any mentioning misandry though. Hmm. #NotAllHatespeech
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 09 2017, @09:46AM
Do you know why? Real men take responsibility, and do not all go whining that it is their mother/girlfriend/wife/blowup-doll's fault. So I, and not just me, but every woman, every real man, every child of both genders, hate you, you disgusting MRA type! Take that sorry excuse for a penis, tuck it between your legs, and run like hell, because if we catch up you, you are everyone's bitch. And, oh, pro-tip. The quickest way for us to find you if for you to stop paying child support. Do that, please, and we will find you, and once we find you, well, White Sharia, Dude!
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 08 2017, @05:20PM
That's why it's stupid to use FaceTrash.
Better to use Wordpress to host your opinions [wordpress.com] apparently.
(Score: 3, Touché) by khallow on Friday December 08 2017, @03:00PM (9 children)
(Score: 5, Insightful) by nitehawk214 on Friday December 08 2017, @03:24PM (8 children)
I think there is a distinction between "bad people saying bad things" and "targeted harassment against political enemies" and death threats.
"Don't you ever miss the days when you used to be nostalgic?" -Loiosh
(Score: 0, Troll) by jmorris on Friday December 08 2017, @03:58PM (6 children)
Yes, there is. And a hint of the actual situation is right there in the summary. This bitch was going after Richard Spencer's -MOTHER- in real life for the crime of being Richard Spencer's mother. So Anglin called in an troll strike on the bitch. Spencer and Anglin are semi-allies, sometimes working together, sometimes arguing. But Spencer had no way to defend himself against such an attack and Anglin is an Internet Troll of great repute and can call up more of his kind so he did.
So make your call everyone and pick a side. Side A is lowlife losers who will locate and harass your mother if you say the wrong thing in the public space and Side B is a bunch of trolls who LARP as Nazis. Which one is more dangerous to the body politic? Which side seems to have the ear of those holding the levers of power? Which side can kill your domain hosting so many times it can't be easily counted, in a dozen countries?
And a meta criticism. Why did Soylent link to wikipedia? DailyStormer [dailystormer.red] is still up, it just moves every few weeks. Click the link. Yes it is awful, he is a troll; if the content today doesn't offend you it means he hasn't done his job. But is it truly worse than some of the stuff that has had no problems keeping a domain name? Which btw, includes every site that isn't named dailystormer since no other destination on the Internet has been so banned? Not counting outright illegal ISIS snuff stuff, outright crime, etc. I'm talking being banned for being outrageous or politically incorrect. The guy is the Weekly World News of Nazi sites, is making him the most banned website in the history of the Internet shutting him up or making him an underground hero?
(Score: 2) by takyon on Friday December 08 2017, @04:37PM
You answered your dumb criticism in the next sentence. Notice that Wikipedia has the latest link.
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(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 08 2017, @05:51PM
Run your fingers through a blender please, a finger milkshake would at least provide some nutrition to a pack of rabid dogs instead of bringing negative value to the world.
(Score: 0, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 08 2017, @06:50PM
You bitch, jmorris!!! NEVER, ever, again attack my mother! You cretin! You neo-nazi sympathizing and collaborating scum! Do you not think it is White Dick Spencer's mom's fault that her boy grew up to be a Hitler-wanna-be? If you could go back in time, and couldn't land on the right temporal co-ordinates to kill Hitler, but you could take out his mom, before she ever ovulated, would it be the ethical thing to do? Thirty million lives, and that is only counting the Greater Whitefish area.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday December 09 2017, @03:45AM (1 child)
I think that you, jmorris, are more hated than I am by the wingnuts. But, you pretty much nailed it with that post. The other side approves of hunting down some guy's mother, because they think he's a Nazi. I, of course, don't agree with everything you say, but you simply nailed it here. Left handed wingnuts can't understand that they are very much like the Nazis that they claim to hate. Actually, it's a love-hate relationship. They hate the Nazi's goals, but they love the Nazi's methods.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 10 2017, @09:58AM
Do not attempt to flatter yourself, Runaway! It is unbecoming. Kind of like trying to suck your own *jmorris*.
(Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Saturday December 09 2017, @03:47AM
I'm confused. Based on the information I've seen (if you have additional information, I'd love to look at it), Spencer's mother contacted Gersh and asked her to go to her property and make some recommendations.
She apparently did so, and even negotiated a smaller commission for herself, after being asked by Spencer's mother to sell the property for her.
So how exactly was it that "This bitch was going after Richard Spencer's -MOTHER-"?
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 2, Interesting) by khallow on Friday December 08 2017, @05:03PM
While Anglin is probably safe on the accusation of inciting criminal activity (at least from the post in question, since he explicitly called for no threats), he's probably going to lose the lawsuit due to revealing private contact information, particularly for parties that had no part in Gersh's actions.