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posted by takyon on Friday December 08 2017, @11:12AM   Printer-friendly
from the Mein-cyberbullying-Kampf dept.

The idea of suing a website might seem abhorrent to advocates of free speech on the internet, but maybe one case shows that it can be justified?

Whitefish Woman's Lawsuit Over 'Daily Stormer' Harassment Proceeding

The Missoulian is reporting [archive] that a Whitefish woman's lawsuit against a Nazi website is going forward.

Montana Public Radio reports that Andrew Anglin, publisher of The Daily Stormer, is being sued by an individual the website targeted because of the mother of Richard Spencer:

The Daily Stormer called for readers to harass her and her family over her dealings with the mother of white nationalist Richard Spencer.

Image of part of the complaint (PDF).

Northwestern Montana, however, has had some experience in dealing with neo-Nazis in the neighborhood.


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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by FatPhil on Friday December 08 2017, @01:51PM (10 children)

    by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Friday December 08 2017, @01:51PM (#607178) Homepage
    I don't know. If you dare to say something as terrible and world-ending as "not all rape accusers are telling the truth", or "Islam is provably, according to its own holy books, not a religion of peace", then you will be deplatformed pretty damned quickly nowadays. Say goodbye to your youtube ad money, and certainly don't expect to be found on the top page of search results for the video's keywords, as your hateful lies are unsuitable for anyone's fragile ears.

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  • (Score: 5, Informative) by LoRdTAW on Friday December 08 2017, @03:06PM (6 children)

    by LoRdTAW (3755) on Friday December 08 2017, @03:06PM (#607202) Journal

    If you dare to say something as terrible and world-ending as "not all rape accusers are telling the truth", or "Islam is provably, according to its own holy books, not a religion of peace", then you will be deplatformed pretty damned quickly nowadays.

    Right. Because those wordings plant doubt by using rare/fringe cases to broadly paint over the issue to try and dilute it. Sure there are false rape accusations and blood thirsty jihad muslims lusting to murder innocent westerners. But there are many who are so afraid of these groups that they will use disinformation and character assassination to marginalize and oppress these groups.

    • (Score: 5, Touché) by nitehawk214 on Friday December 08 2017, @03:21PM (5 children)

      by nitehawk214 (1304) on Friday December 08 2017, @03:21PM (#607212)

      Couldn't you say that the statement "People complaining about lack of free speech on the internet tend to be Alt-Right and Nazi affiliated these days." is using an overly broad brush and that not everyone in favor of free speech is alt-right or a nazi?

      Or did you want to skip right to character assassination to marginalize and oppress these groups?

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      • (Score: 2) by LoRdTAW on Friday December 08 2017, @04:06PM

        by LoRdTAW (3755) on Friday December 08 2017, @04:06PM (#607244) Journal

        What?

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 08 2017, @08:08PM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 08 2017, @08:08PM (#607379)

        Or did you want to skip right to character assassination to marginalize and oppress these groups?

        I would be more in favor of concentration camps, and then tribunals and summary execution, but we might try de-Nazification, like we did after WWII. The turn of phrase is that the neo-Nazis have "weaponized" free speech.

        • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday December 09 2017, @03:35AM (2 children)

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday December 09 2017, @03:35AM (#607590) Journal

          Just so you know, summary executions don't require camps, tribunals, or any of the other trappings of law, no matter how unjust the law might be. Summary executions are just - you know - summary. I decide that you die, I pull the trigger, and it's all over but the crying.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 09 2017, @09:39AM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 09 2017, @09:39AM (#607665)

            Silly Arkansawite! Do they no longer have civic classes in your high-schools? Of course they require these things to maintain the "cover" of law. It is just like when you are fucking the livestock, and you pretend that since you "own" them, that this is part of the deal. But, you know, it does not? So, no summary animal husbandry, OK? Runaway? Please? And no sexting of such encounters, because, you know. swine do not have smartphones, so there really is no point.

  • (Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Friday December 08 2017, @04:29PM

    by NotSanguine (285) <NotSanguineNO@SPAMSoylentNews.Org> on Friday December 08 2017, @04:29PM (#607254) Homepage Journal

    don't know. If you dare to say something as terrible and world-ending as "not all rape accusers are telling the truth", or "Islam is provably, according to its own holy books, not a religion of peace", then you will be deplatformed pretty damned quickly nowadays. Say goodbye to your youtube ad money, and certainly don't expect to be found on the top page of search results for the video's keywords, as your hateful lies are unsuitable for anyone's fragile ears.

    Whether your claim about being "deplatformed" is true or not, the issue is one of liberty. Without the ability to reliably and with sufficient bandwidth, self-host, you're forced to deal with private third-parties who can censor you at their whim.

    So you can deal with it or you can work with your neighbors to get community-owned/operated last mile symmetric internet services (preferably FTTH) and force ISPs to compete for your business. Unless and until you do so, you're vulnerable to censorship by whoever owns your hosting platform.

    So the answer is clear, it's just not easy to fight the anti-competitive ISP oligopoly and their paid shills^W^W buddies over at ALEC [alec.org].

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  • (Score: 0, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 08 2017, @06:48PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 08 2017, @06:48PM (#607339)

    As reported to the police, it's 84% false accusation. Most of these won't go to trial; the percentage at trial is lower but I don't know that number.

    Typical motives: to cover up an affair, to avoid being in trouble with parents, relationship failure

    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by t-3 on Friday December 08 2017, @08:44PM

      by t-3 (4907) on Friday December 08 2017, @08:44PM (#607406)

      Citation?