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posted by takyon on Friday December 08 2017, @11:12AM   Printer-friendly
from the Mein-cyberbullying-Kampf dept.

The idea of suing a website might seem abhorrent to advocates of free speech on the internet, but maybe one case shows that it can be justified?

Whitefish Woman's Lawsuit Over 'Daily Stormer' Harassment Proceeding

The Missoulian is reporting [archive] that a Whitefish woman's lawsuit against a Nazi website is going forward.

Montana Public Radio reports that Andrew Anglin, publisher of The Daily Stormer, is being sued by an individual the website targeted because of the mother of Richard Spencer:

The Daily Stormer called for readers to harass her and her family over her dealings with the mother of white nationalist Richard Spencer.

Image of part of the complaint (PDF).

Northwestern Montana, however, has had some experience in dealing with neo-Nazis in the neighborhood.


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  • (Score: 2, Flamebait) by aristarchus on Friday December 08 2017, @06:58PM (10 children)

    by aristarchus (2645) on Friday December 08 2017, @06:58PM (#607341) Journal

    NAZIS MUST BE CRUSHED AT ALL COSTS.

    You know, there never was a surrender by the Dritte Reich, no peace treaty that legally put an end to the war in Europe, unlike the Pacific. So technically, the Allies (including Drumpenfurer's America) are still at war with the Nazis. Thus measures to counter or suppress their propaganda (we now call this "information warfare") are perfectly allowable under the International Rules of Armed Conflict. Also, punch a Nazi in the face. They are the enemy of humanity, and specifically the enemy of the United States of America. Yes, Virginia, even of Montana.

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  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 08 2017, @07:50PM (3 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 08 2017, @07:50PM (#607370)

    Also, punch a Nazi in the face. They are the enemy of humanity, and specifically the enemy of the United States of America.

    That's odd - aren't you doing much the same thing that the Daily Stormer is being sued over?

    • (Score: 2, Troll) by aristarchus on Friday December 08 2017, @08:10PM (2 children)

      by aristarchus (2645) on Friday December 08 2017, @08:10PM (#607380) Journal

      No, like the lawyers in the article, you have to track down Anglin all on your own, if you can. But I have no trouble justifying self-defense against Nazis. I remember when those bastards invaded Athens.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 09 2017, @03:09AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 09 2017, @03:09AM (#607586)

        Hunting down a Nazi to punch him in the face is not self defense. Stop talking stupid.

        • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Saturday December 09 2017, @08:38PM

          by aristarchus (2645) on Saturday December 09 2017, @08:38PM (#607778) Journal

          How about hunting down Nazis, snatching them and spiriting them back to Israel to stand trial for crimes against humanity, and being Banality of Evil [wikipedia.org]?

  • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Friday December 08 2017, @07:52PM

    by tangomargarine (667) on Friday December 08 2017, @07:52PM (#607371)

    "It is impossible at present to foresee in what circumstances hostilities with Germany may in the end be suspended. We cannot tell, therefore, what mode of procedure would be most suitable; whether, for example, it will be found best to have a full and detailed armistice; or a shorter armistice conferring general powers; or possibly no armistice at all, but a series of local capitulations by enemy commanders."[2]

    The agreed text was in three parts. The first part consisted of a brief preamble "The German Government and German High Command, recognising and acknowledging the complete defeat of the German armed forces on land, at sea and in the air, hereby announce Germany's unconditional surrender".[4]

    Although the German military signatories of the May 1945 German Instruments of Surrender had been acting under instructions from Admiral Dönitz, none of the Allied Governments recognised the acting Flensburg Government as validly exercising civil power, and consequently the Allies had insisted that the German signatories should explicitly represent the German High Command alone. On the 23 of May 1945, the purported German government in Flensburg was abolished, and its members taken into captivity as prisoners of war.[29]

    Nevertheless, as the surrender instrument of 8 May 1945 had been signed only by German military representatives, the full civil provisions for the unconditional surrender of Germany remained without explicit formal basis. Consequently, the EAC text for Unconditional Surrender of Germany, redrafted as a declaration and with an extended explanatory preamble, was adopted unilaterally by the now four Allied Powers as the Declaration regarding the defeat of Germany on 5 June 1945.[4] This spelled out the Allied position that as a result of its complete defeat Germany had no government or central authority, and that the vacated civil authority in Germany had consequently been assumed solely by the four Allied Representative Powers (the United States of America, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the United Kingdom and the French Republic) on behalf of the Allied Governments overall

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Instrument_of_Surrender [wikipedia.org]

    I mean, Hitler had offed himself and the German government had kind of collapsed. There wasn't a whole lot of authority around to sign it with other than the military.

    --
    "Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
  • (Score: 2) by Eristone on Friday December 08 2017, @08:00PM (4 children)

    by Eristone (4775) on Friday December 08 2017, @08:00PM (#607374)

    I think this document [wikipedia.org] says otherwise regarding the surrender of Nazi Germany.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by aristarchus on Friday December 08 2017, @08:34PM (3 children)

      by aristarchus (2645) on Friday December 08 2017, @08:34PM (#607396) Journal

      If you want to maintain that Nazi Germany has in fact actually surrendered, then these neo-Nazis are in fact guilty of something called"War Treason" [wikipedia.org]. If you continue to fight after your nation has surrendered, you are no longer a legal combatant, but you are an illegal enemy combatant. So, "Punch a Nazi in the face" and ship them off to Guantanamo? Worst of the worst, and all that.

      • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday December 09 2017, @03:29AM (2 children)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday December 09 2017, @03:29AM (#607588) Journal

        Nazi Germany was defeated. No surrender really necessary, they were utterly defeated. The survivors surrendered. You are grasping at straws here.

        How ironic that a person who styles himself as a philosopher believes that an idea, or philosophy, or belief can be excised from humanity. You shouldn't even hope that such a thing is possible. If it were, the idea would still be there, to be re-discovered a few generations down the road. And, since the rest of humanity has forgotten about Nazism, the fresh discovery will meet no resistance.

        Be thankful that mankind has a memory, and be thankful that some small number of idiots are enthralled by this idea of supremacy.

        And, no, the Nazis aren't taking over. Because you are so very fearful of Nazis, you see them everywhere. They hide in your closet, they hide under your bed, they are at every protest, they're watching you at the airport.

        Fear can be a useful tool, but in your case, fear rules you. If you can conquer your fear, you will realize that Nazis are a powerless bunch of losers and posers. They can't even convince themselves that they have power, but they've convinced you.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 09 2017, @09:21AM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 09 2017, @09:21AM (#607661)

          #RunawayFondledMe And it wasn't the first time. He is of the Roy Moore school of thought, but only more toward prepubescent boys! Runaway, you pederast!

          • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday December 09 2017, @04:57PM

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday December 09 2017, @04:57PM (#607715) Journal

            See your optomoligist. You're confusing me with Aristarchus. He does kinda look like me - two legs, two arms, a torso and a head. But, I'm much better looking. I'm also the bigger asshole. Aristarchus is just a wannabe asshole.