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posted by martyb on Saturday December 09 2017, @06:25PM   Printer-friendly
from the "cut"-it-out! dept.

Patreon, a platform that allows "patrons" to give money to directly to artists and other content creators, is adding a processing fee to what patrons pledge, which could drive users away:

Patreon is defending a new payment structure that critics say hurts smaller artists. The change, which goes into effect on December 18th, adds a processing fee to each individual patron pledge, instead of taking the cut out of creators' total earnings. Because this fee includes a flat 35-cent charge on top of a percentage, it disproportionately affects people making small pledges, or pledging to multiple artists. Artists have complained that they're losing patrons after the announcement — but Patreon says it's an inevitable consequence of some other changes to the platform.

Patreon initially said that this fee made artists' earnings more predictable, because they'd only have to worry about a single 5 percent cut taken by Patreon. In an update, however, the company said that's not all that's going on. It's apparently linked to a minor-seeming change in when Patreon processes pledges.

Previously, Patreon charged for most pledges at the start of the month, but also let artists charge first-time backers as soon as they pledged. People seemed to be "double-charged" if they signed up toward the end of a month, so Patreon switched to charging them at the monthly anniversary of their initial pledge. Patreon says that means that more individual transactions are being processed, which jacks up credit card fees. (To make things even more complicated, some people pledge per-video or per-post, adding more rounds of payments.) So rather than dramatically cutting how much money creators get, it's passing that fee to backers.

[...] Some critics have characterized this as a deliberately exploitative or bad-faith move from Patreon; a widely cited thread by author Chris Buecheler suggests that the platform is under pressure from investors. But Patreon has also simply spent a long time struggling with its payment system. It introduced upfront payments — the source of the "double-charging" issue — because artists complained that patrons would sign up for perks and cancel before their first payment. Now, it's apparently trying to solve a problem with that system, and creating another issue in the process.

One of the common solutions for someone getting demonetized on YouTube? Start a Patreon.

Also at Engadget and Polygon.


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  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by edIII on Saturday December 09 2017, @10:06PM

    by edIII (791) on Saturday December 09 2017, @10:06PM (#607815)

    That's what I meant by the bit bucket. I have several VOIP accounts and get charged in tiny portions of a penny. You pay $100 to them and you get $100.000000 in credits. All the services pull off your credits, and in the case of VMs, on a per second basis. I have a large amount of charges that never reach a penny.

    35c one time on $100 is much less of a hassle. If Patreon went credit based like this it would be so much easier and painless to transfer the credits around. Payments to creators can be in full, minus all of the processing fees since I absorbed those up front. Meaning a $100 payment only results in $96.75 in credits.

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