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posted by Fnord666 on Tuesday December 12 2017, @07:34AM   Printer-friendly
from the tilting-at-windmills dept.

The new FBI Director Christopher Wray has been repeating the broken rhetoric of the Crypto Wars:

In recent testimony before Congress, the director of the FBI has again highlighted what the government sees as the problem of easy-to-use, on-by-default, strong encryption.

In prepared remarks from last Thursday, FBI Director Christopher Wray said that encryption presents a "significant challenge to conducting lawful court-ordered access," he said, again using the longstanding government moniker "Going Dark."

The statement was just one portion of his testimony about the agency's priorities for the coming year.

The FBI and its parent agency, the Department of Justice, have recently stepped up public rhetoric about the so-called dangers of "Going Dark." In recent months, both Wray and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein have given numerous public statements about this issue.

Remember to use encryption irresponsibly, and stay salty, my FBI friends.

Previously: FBI Chief Calls for National Talk Over Encryption vs. Safety
Federal Court Rules That the FBI Does Not Have to Disclose Name of iPhone Hacking Vendor
PureVPN Logs Helped FBI Net Alleged Cyberstalker
FBI Failed to Access 7,000 Encrypted Mobile Devices
Great, Now There's "Responsible Encryption"
FBI Bemoans Phone Encryption After Texas Shooting, but Refuses Apple's Help
DOJ: Strong Encryption That We Don't Have Access to is "Unreasonable"


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  • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by ewk on Tuesday December 12 2017, @05:31PM (17 children)

    by ewk (5923) on Tuesday December 12 2017, @05:31PM (#608811)

    Not slavery, just simply being part of the social framework/contract (sorry... still using that word, even if you do not like it) that enabled you to achieve something (I assume nobody put a gun against your head to get an education and so on)... So really, like if you don't like it, just GTFO... Rumour has it Somalia still has plenty of room and possibilities.

    As for democracy... that ship already sailed with the Romans, about 2000 years ago.

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  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by khallow on Tuesday December 12 2017, @06:54PM (13 children)

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday December 12 2017, @06:54PM (#608855) Journal

    So really, like if you don't like it, just GTFO... Rumour has it Somalia still has plenty of room and possibilities.

    I would find it more convenient if you GTFO instead. Love-it-or-leave-it is fine when your dudes are in power. But in a genuine democracy, that won't always be the case. It's better to have a society that can handle dissent, including unlawful dissent, rather than one that tries to cleanse society of ungoodthink.

    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 12 2017, @07:44PM (8 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 12 2017, @07:44PM (#608881)

      No one is cleansing anyone, what is wrong with you??

      Racists and bigots are now shunned quite heavily, the majority of people now realize that such prejudice is DUMB! Please, elaborate on the cleansing for "ungoodthink", I'm curious as to what stories I've missed that could possibly be so construed.

      • (Score: 2, Flamebait) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday December 12 2017, @08:24PM (1 child)

        by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Tuesday December 12 2017, @08:24PM (#608899) Journal

        He's angry because calling people Nazis when they wear Nazi regalia and call for blacks and Jews to be killed is allowed. Hallow is fucking nuts; just read his post history.

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        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday December 12 2017, @08:45PM

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday December 12 2017, @08:45PM (#608920) Journal

          Hallow is fucking nuts; just read his post history.

          Yes, read my post history [soylentnews.org] rather than take someone's word for it.

          Moving on, what happens when the unpopular people aren't racists, but people who want to use strong encryption? Or who merely want to be free? And the "GTFO" strategy only works, if the authorities will allow you to leave. That is one of the first things taken away in a tyranny.

      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday December 12 2017, @08:32PM (5 children)

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday December 12 2017, @08:32PM (#608908) Journal

        No one is cleansing anyone, what is wrong with you??

        I quoted the relevant statement. Love it or leave it!

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 12 2017, @08:44PM (4 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 12 2017, @08:44PM (#608917)

          Sooooo having a negative opinion about someone else is "cleansing"? Trigger harder little snowflake.

          • (Score: 2, Informative) by khallow on Tuesday December 12 2017, @09:02PM (3 children)

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday December 12 2017, @09:02PM (#608927) Journal

            Sooooo having a negative opinion about someone else is "cleansing"?

            Why do you think "if you don't like it, just GTFO" merely means having a negative opinion? It's passive-aggressive for "We don't want your kind here, get out." We already have groups that have gone beyond that sentiment to actually advocating for other groups to leave. For example, I have a whiny AC [soylentnews.org] who wants to deport "whiteys" because "you all" want to deport Mexicans from North America. Seriously.

            And this sentiment applies to any behavior that is considered deviant such as the topic of the story. Want to use strong encryption? Somalia's open.

            • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 12 2017, @09:11PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 12 2017, @09:11PM (#608929)

              Why do you think "if you don't like it, just GTFO" merely means having a negative opinion? It's passive-aggressive for "We don't want your kind here, get out." We already have groups that have gone beyond that sentiment to actually advocating for other groups to leave. For example, I have a whiny AC [soylentnews.org] who wants to deport "whiteys" because "you all" want to deport Mexicans from North America. Seriously.

              And this sentiment applies to any behavior that is considered deviant such as the topic of the story. Want to use strong encryption? Somalia's open.

              Geez Louise, Khallow! Some mouth-breathing netizen tells you to "get out" and you assume that it's huge conspiracy? Who is this "we" of which you speak?

              Haven't you taken your haldol yet today?

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 12 2017, @09:25PM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 12 2017, @09:25PM (#608939)

              You do realize that someone saying "deport whiteys" is an attempt at getting you to realize what "deport mexicans" sounds like? For all the vitriol that comes from conservative groups it is shocking how thin your skins are. Would your feelz be better if we changed it to "If you don't like it GTFO or support legislation for change". Is that better? Do you feel less threatened?

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 13 2017, @10:04AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 13 2017, @10:04AM (#609165)

                You do realize that someone saying "deport whiteys" is an attempt at getting you to realize what "deport mexicans" sounds like?

                Perhaps you should use plain language then, rather than try to resort to mental tricks which have a high probability of backfiring on you. Likewise, I don't recommend teaching people not to hit others by punching them in the face.

                Would your feelz be better if we changed it to "If you don't like it GTFO or support legislation for change".

                Not really. That's akin to being in a casino and being told that if I don't like the odds on the game I find myself playing, my choices are to 'GTFO or ask for a rules change'. The option to simply stop playing never seems to cross your lips...

    • (Score: 1) by ewk on Tuesday December 12 2017, @09:15PM (3 children)

      by ewk (5923) on Tuesday December 12 2017, @09:15PM (#608931)

      Dude, believe me... I am most definitely NOT one of those in power. Trust me, if I were in power things would be soooo much different :-)

      But lately I am getting just a wheee bit irritated about seemingly over-privileged whiners that take the investment society made in them for granted and assume they can only cut the cords THEY want.
      Sorry, but it does not work that way.

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      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday December 12 2017, @10:41PM (2 children)

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday December 12 2017, @10:41PM (#608990) Journal

        But lately I am getting just a wheee bit irritated about seemingly over-privileged whiners that take the investment society made in them for granted and assume they can only cut the cords THEY want.

        One of the costs of "investment" is that they have no obligation to show gratitude. To accept the investment is to accept the costs of the investment. It's something like the "love it or leave it" argument that happened earlier in this thread. Choices come with consequences. If you choose to have a certain public service, then you need to accept the consequences of the public service, much as if you choose to live in a place with laws that you don't approve of, you have a variety of choices (including illegal disobedience and GTFO), but also consequences associated with those choices.

        It is only fair that if they have to face consequences for choices, so should you.

        • (Score: 1) by ewk on Wednesday December 13 2017, @10:18AM (1 child)

          by ewk (5923) on Wednesday December 13 2017, @10:18AM (#609171)

          One of the costs of "investment" is that they have no obligation to show gratitude.

          Thank you for proving my point about the whiners who take everything for granted.
          It is indeed a choice to be a leech.

          It seems we really do have a difference of opinion here about how one should behave in society.

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          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday December 13 2017, @05:15PM

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday December 13 2017, @05:15PM (#609276) Journal

            It seems we really do have a difference of opinion here about how one should behave in society.

            My view is the more things your society/government does to people for which they hypothetically should feel gratitude, the less gratitude which will be received in turn.

  • (Score: 2) by urza9814 on Wednesday December 13 2017, @02:16PM (2 children)

    by urza9814 (3954) on Wednesday December 13 2017, @02:16PM (#609210) Journal

    (I assume nobody put a gun against your head to get an education and so on)

    Not sure what country we're talking about here, but in the US they pretty much do -- dropping out before age 18 is illegal and if you do it then *someone* is going to end up in jail. More likely the gun would be to your parents' heads, but that seems a pretty minor distinction...

    • (Score: 1) by ewk on Thursday December 14 2017, @09:50AM (1 child)

      by ewk (5923) on Thursday December 14 2017, @09:50AM (#609634)

      Really? Having to "visit an educational institution" equals "getting an education" ?

      They might force you (indirectly) to do the first, but the second?

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      • (Score: 2) by urza9814 on Thursday December 14 2017, @02:22PM

        by urza9814 (3954) on Thursday December 14 2017, @02:22PM (#609686) Journal

        Really? Having to "visit an educational institution" equals "getting an education" ?

        They might force you (indirectly) to do the first, but the second?

        Really? You think a child as young as six years old is going to make a conscious decision to just ignore what they're being told for around eight hours per day every single day for the next twelve years? They're surely going to absorb *something* in that time.