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posted by janrinok on Tuesday December 12 2017, @03:50PM   Printer-friendly
from the too-big-to-fail dept.

Explosion in Baumgarten (Austria) gas transit plant, russian gas delivery halted for Austria, Slovakia, Hungary, Slovenia, and Croatia. Italy declares energy crisis. Gas price in Europe jumps ~20%. Crude oil futures rise too.

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMyiQtm56co (far away video)
* http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/12/12/least-one-killed-18-injured-explosion-austrian-gas-plant/
* https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/891284/Austria-gas-plant-blast-Europe-energy-crisis-fuel-shortages-Italy-state-emergency
* https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-12/u-k-gas-surges-after-explosion-in-austria-tightens-supply

UPDATE from: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-42321217

Police have cordoned off the area. Some victims suffering burns have been airlifted out by helicopter, Austrian ORF news reports.

One unconfirmed report spoke of 60 hurt.

"I heard a huge explosion and thought at first it was a plane crash," photographer Thomas Hulik, who lives in a nearby village in Slovakia, told AFP news agency. "Then I saw an immense ball of flame."

Gas Connect said the incident should have no effect on gas deliveries to Austria but those to Italy and Croatia might be reduced.

Meanwhile, Russia's Gazprom Export said it was working to redirect gas flows.

It said it was "doing everything possible to secure uninterrupted gas supplies" to customers in the region.

Spot prices rose sharply across Europe after the incident.


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  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 12 2017, @06:49PM (6 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 12 2017, @06:49PM (#608852)

    People really need to look at things from more than one angle. Those portions of the Ukraine "annexed" by Russia were predominantly Russian people.

    So was Austria and Czech Republic were German when Hitler took over too. What is your point?

    I hate to stick up for the Russians, but there ARE multiple perspectives to consider.

    I hate to say it, but people shouldn't be dying because some ass-holes somewhere want power. Be that Russia or US or wherever. I stick up to Russians, right until they sent in the army and muscled their way in because they didn't like the other assholes. That is when they became a bigger asshole. Just like in Georgia. And this is not how it's suppose to be done these days.

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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday December 12 2017, @08:40PM (4 children)

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday December 12 2017, @08:40PM (#608914) Journal

    Uh-huh. We're back to the arguments against invading Iraq. Saddam Hussein provided a kind of stability, no matter how rotten a bastard he may have been. Saddam's greatest sin was, he misjudged the reactions of the US and it's allies. Ditto Colonel Quadaffy, in his turn.

    Fact is that some asshole is going to move in and run things, and sometimes, it's the assholes we don't like. Other times, it's the assholes we like better. But, there will always be an asshole. What aggravates me is, we act as if our assholes are somehow better than the other assholes. In reality, they all play the same damned game.

    • (Score: 2) by MostCynical on Tuesday December 12 2017, @09:14PM

      by MostCynical (2589) on Tuesday December 12 2017, @09:14PM (#608930) Journal
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    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 13 2017, @12:30PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 13 2017, @12:30PM (#609194)

      What aggravates me is, we act as if our assholes are somehow better than the other assholes. In reality, they all play the same damned game.

      You are saying it like there was option C - no assholes, but previously you explicitly wrote: "But, there will always be an asshole."
      If so, then for any particular side, their asshole is clearly better option than other side's asshole.

      However I see what you mean, and this is what we've got: we strive for "no assholes" option again and again, which explains and rationalizes the intentions behind actions which brought in this wave of instability, but all we get is a bunch of less strong assholes in place of one big asshole, and resulting effect on the innocent is even more widespread suffering.

      When you try to cut a steak on a plate using only a knife without waiting for a fork to be brought to the table, usually the mess ensues. Don't jump out of the airplane door just hoping that you've got parachute. Prepare parachute before you jump. ... etc. I could go with these analogies all day.

      That's flip side of overachievers: they want it done now, even if they will fail because of their impatience. It goes to show that their goals are selfish ones - to snatch laurels, not the stated ones - whichever good is to be brought. None gets a bronze monument for nurturing and building up new enlightened leaders to world's less free regions over long decades. And it all could be lost in days - look at the Balkans after dissolution of Yugoslavia or Central Asia after Soviet Union. They got almost instant regression to pre-19th century at the fall of the hat! You can't expect to remove inner walls from a classer box without carefully replacing them with new ones, in fact installing new ones prior to removing old ones, and expect that everything stays tidy. Once communist ideology was out, so were its parts which it had in common with modern democracy - inter-ethnic tolerance and basic human solidarity, but none bothered to think beyond anticommunist propaganda to see that vacuum left after one ideology will not automatically get filled with modern ideas, but instead as one layer is ripped off, an older, preceding mindset will resurface. When we today remove strongmen dictators from e.g. Arab world, we are pushing those nations deeper back into their historical (as recalled) narrative.

      In short, people in high places are (either) incompetent or/and irresponsible.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 15 2017, @03:36PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 15 2017, @03:36PM (#610316)

        You are saying it like there was option C - no assholes, but previously you explicitly wrote: "But, there will always be an asshole."
        If so, then for any particular side, their asshole is clearly better option than other side's asshole.

        When it's not an asshole, the USA often overthrows him/her and installs their pet asshole.

        The USA has overthrown a number of democratically elected leaders who were arguably better for their people than the assholes the USA installed.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change [wikipedia.org]

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 16 2017, @06:35AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 16 2017, @06:35AM (#610635)

        people in high places are (either) incompetent or/and irresponsible.

        No, people in high places generally are psychopaths. Incompetence and irresponsibility are irrelevant.

  • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Wednesday December 13 2017, @02:52PM

    by FatPhil (863) <{pc-soylent} {at} {asdf.fi}> on Wednesday December 13 2017, @02:52PM (#609221) Homepage
    > So was Austria and Czech Republic were German when Hitler took over too.

    Correction/clarification - Austria was annexed in the anschluss of early 1938, a full 5 years after Uncle Addie was made chancellor, and the Czech republic annexation was a further 6 months later.

    But your point about bigger assholes is well made. The enemy of your enemy is probably not your friend if the way they help you involves invading. (Speaking from an Estonian-resident's perspective.)
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