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posted by mrpg on Thursday December 14 2017, @11:20PM   Printer-friendly
from the robot-scare-fad dept.

Weep for the future?

Today's 6th graders will hit their prime working years in 2030.

By that time, the "robot apocalypse" could be fully upon us. Automation and artificial intelligence could have eliminated half the jobs in the United States economy.

Or, plenty of jobs could still exist, but today's students could be locked in a fierce competition for a few richly rewarded positions requiring advanced technical and interpersonal skills. Robots and algorithms would take care of what used to be solid working- and middle-class jobs. And the kids who didn't get that cutting-edge computer science course or life-changing middle school project? They'd be relegated to a series of dead-end positions, serving the elites who did.

Alternatively, maybe Bill Gates and Elon Musk and the other big names ringing the alarm are wrong. A decade from now, perhaps companies will still complain they can't find employees who can read an instruction manual and pass a drug test. Maybe workers will still be able to hold on to the American Dream, so long as they can adjust to incremental technological shifts in the workplace.

Which vision will prove correct?

30 years into the Information Revolution and schools are only just now realizing they should teach kids how to code...


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  • (Score: 1) by DECbot on Friday December 15 2017, @12:39AM (6 children)

    by DECbot (832) on Friday December 15 2017, @12:39AM (#610015) Journal

    I agree that the trade skill jobs are going nowhere and likewise with doctors, bureaucrats, owners, and investors. Bankers, lawyers, and accountants can all be replaced with software and data entry specialists. There will be a few software people to write and maintain that code, but nothing on the scale as what is being replaced. You are right, a 'learn how to code' program in a school won't benefit the many. There needs to be a 'this is critical thinking' program along with 'this is what is currently happening' plus 'this is the trend' program in our schools. With that, the child should be able to use their new critical thinking skill to determine what is dead end career within their lifetime and what skill will provide a lifetime of employment. Our education system's failure is to (1) not provide them the necessary critical thinking skills and (2) deluded them about the real job market and the education required. Tell me again why everyone needs a college degree to do paperwork and the most routine of office duties?

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  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 15 2017, @01:52AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 15 2017, @01:52AM (#610039)

    Tell me again why everyone needs a college degree to do paperwork and the most routine of office duties?

    Nor do you need a college degree to learn mathematics or computer science at a very high level. This is the 21st century, where people have access to massive amounts of high quality information that they could use to educate themselves, yet our view of education comes from the metaphorical dark ages. Employers require degrees even when it's not necessary just so they can filter out candidates more easily and avoid doing any actual work, which is the same reason why they utilize ridiculous personality tests ('I fear you're too introverted to be a team player, Bob.'). Then they turn around and complain about a lack of talent. You end up with losers who have a myriad of degrees and yet can't even write a simple fizzbuzz program.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 15 2017, @06:36AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 15 2017, @06:36AM (#610156)

      Just gonna point out that access to that information doesn't make learning it easy. Learning modalities matter. Some people learn MUCH better with a teacher, or doing problems, or so on - generally (geeeenerally) the more active, the better.

      But yeah degree inflation and pumping out incompetent bachelors for CS and engineering indicate MAJOR problems coming down the line. The engineering fresh grads really, really scare me.

  • (Score: 2) by jelizondo on Friday December 15 2017, @05:30AM (3 children)

    by jelizondo (653) Subscriber Badge on Friday December 15 2017, @05:30AM (#610120) Journal

    Except for fairly simple cases, no software will be replacing lawyers anytime soon.

    Any non-trivial case involves:

    - interpretation of the law and the applicability (or not) or precedents or case-law to each particular incident, looking for loop-holes, mitigating circumstances or other aspects to advance a claim. In other words, applying human experience and judgment to each case.
    - appealing to human emotions (i.e. juries) and explaining or discrediting (to the client’s advantage) expert testimony
    - in some cases, the intent (mens rea) of the person is crucial to the case and if it is hard for humans, it will be near impossible for a computer to determine the intent of a human
    - in some cases, plea bargaining

    If an algorithm could apply the law, it would not only replace lawyers but also judges, juries, appellate judges and the Supreme Court at the same time. It would simply adjudicate in favor of one party or the other, or dictate a sentence, which could not be appealed as it would be clearly superior in judgment to any human being and flawless. And at any rate, you would be appealing a computer-generated sentence to another computer, probably running Windows ;-)

    So lawyers, like cockroaches, are here to stay.

    • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 15 2017, @06:40AM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 15 2017, @06:40AM (#610160)

      Really strongly disagree with your examples:

      - in some cases, plea bargaining

      Negotiations are a particularly strong algorithmic suit. Very heavily studied in the abstract.

      - appealing to human emotions (i.e. juries) and explaining or discrediting (to the client’s advantage) expert testimony

      Jury trials are a tiny minority. Contextualizing to prove/disprove is a challenge but well within Watson at present.

      - in some cases, the intent (mens rea) of the person is crucial to the case and if it is hard for humans, it will be near impossible for a computer to determine the intent of a human

      Intent is literally impossible to know, but we can infer. But indeed, cases involving intent will be later to fall.

      - interpretation of the law and the applicability (or not) or precedents or case-law to each particular incident, looking for loop-holes, mitigating circumstances or other aspects to advance a claim. In other words, applying human experience and judgment to each case.

      Oh man... if you think this isn't an area in which "expert systems" are making huge strides, well, you'll be strode past, and sooner or later you'll notice.

      • (Score: 2) by t-3 on Friday December 15 2017, @09:21PM

        by t-3 (4907) on Friday December 15 2017, @09:21PM (#610477)

        Catch a case that could land you in prison then tell me you want a computer to be your lawyer. I'll go with the slick talker every time, until we replace judges with computers, then I'll take an EMP.

    • (Score: 2) by mhajicek on Friday December 15 2017, @06:45AM

      by mhajicek (51) on Friday December 15 2017, @06:45AM (#610162)
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