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on Thursday December 28 2017, @11:05AM
from the professor-snape-would-be-proud dept.
from the professor-snape-would-be-proud dept.
This is the first of a three-part series based on never-before-published training manuals for the KGB, the Soviet intelligence organization that Vladimir Putin served as an operative, and that shaped his view of the world. Its veterans still make up an important part of now-Russian President Vladimir Putin's power base. All were trained in the same dark arts, and these primers in tradecraft are essential to an understanding of the way they think and the way they operate.
Source : Revealed: The Secret KGB Manual for Recruiting Spies
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Anyone can make an omelet with eggs. The trick is to make one with none.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 28 2017, @11:37AM (11 children)
It's another Trump hit piece pushing the absurd idea that Trump is Putin's puppet. Some people really want to believe this.
So far, 100% of the recent proven misdeeds involving Russia and US politicians have been about Trump opponents. We had a sitting president assist in the creation of nonsense in order to get a warrant to wiretap Trump -- that makes Watergate look insignificant. We had uranium actually leaving the country, not just an ownership change, well-greased by payments from Russians.
We call this "projecting". It's when you have done some misdeed and then accuse others of it without justification.
(Score: 2) by Thexalon on Thursday December 28 2017, @12:42PM (8 children)
That's not what Robert Mueller's indictments say. The evidence he's gathered and presented to justify said indictments a pretty strong indication there's something to this, although it probably isn't as egregious as Rachel Maddow likes to pretend it is.
I consider it entirely possible that both Trump and Clinton engaged in misdeeds with Russians looking either for a political advantage or cash. It's in both of their characters to do so - Trump is loyal only to his dad (who's been dead for some time), Clinton is loyal only to her husband (who totally would sell out too).
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 1, Troll) by khallow on Thursday December 28 2017, @12:53PM (3 children)
Of what? The US supposedly has a standard of probable cause [wikipedia.org] for obtaining warrants. So what evidence is there to support the warrants that were obtained in 2016?
(Score: 5, Informative) by Thexalon on Thursday December 28 2017, @01:01PM (2 children)
That people working for the Trump campaign had illegal dealings with Russians. That's exactly what the indictments say, and they did not rely solely or primarily on the wiretap evidence to make those charges.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 1, Troll) by khallow on Thursday December 28 2017, @01:08PM
What makes dealings illegal? It's not that the dealing exists. You have to go beyond that to some violation of law, like constitutional violation of one of the emoluments clauses or respective legislative law. Merely having contacts with Russians doesn't count even if to obtain information about political opponents. My view is that if, for example, Trump paid for legit dirt on Clinton from the Russian government, that should be legal just as if the converse happened.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 28 2017, @07:29PM
People who worked for the Trump campaign got indicted for stuff that happened in 2014, long before the Trump campaign existed.
What do you think this is, some sort of contagious original sin? Hiring a person who previously committed a crime somehow makes you a criminal, even if they haven't yet been caught and prosecuted?
The wiretap is interesting because the warrant to get the wiretap is based on collusion with Russians... by Trump's opponents.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 28 2017, @02:06PM
The old board was full of crazy nuts, the new board is full of crazy nuts.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by legont on Thursday December 28 2017, @05:04PM (2 children)
Well, the biggest donor to Clinton foundation was Ukraine http://theduran.com/ukraine-oligarch-who-donated-29-million-to-clinton-foundation-demanded-meeting-with-bill-clinton-to-discuss-maidan-failure/ [theduran.com]
"Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
(Score: 2) by Thexalon on Friday December 29 2017, @10:55PM (1 child)
So? How does the claim "the Clintons are lying and possibly criminal scumbags" in any way counter "Donald Trump is a lying and possibly criminal scumbag"?
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 2) by legont on Saturday December 30 2017, @05:52AM
It's not and was not the point. The point was that actions have consequences; even for the Clintons,
"Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Bot on Thursday December 28 2017, @01:23PM
> Trump is Putin's puppet
My AI is not convinced, positing that Putin should have outbid a lot of people to become the puppet master. It's more likely some kind of shared property like the ones before him.
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(Score: 3, Insightful) by FatPhil on Thursday December 28 2017, @01:47PM
Very few believe he's a "puppet", despite your paranoia. Most believe he's a "useful idiot".
Here, kid, go larn yerself something about the real world of international relations: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX3EZCVj2XA
Notice how far we've "progressed" in recent decades?
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves