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posted by Fnord666 on Monday January 15 2018, @09:35AM   Printer-friendly
from the who-knew dept.

Submitted via IRC for Teckla

There is increasing evidence linking Russia to the Shadow Brokers leaks, which is "one of the worst security debacles ever to befall American intelligence."

Source: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/experts-link-nsa-leaks-shadow-brokers-russia-kaspersky-144840962.html


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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Lester on Monday January 15 2018, @12:28PM (8 children)

    by Lester (6231) on Monday January 15 2018, @12:28PM (#622541) Journal

    Snowden has confirmed that NSA has broken world's security and infiltrated everywhere using software, hardware and services American companies. NSA has played its cards. So Russia and China have.

    They have shown that they have skilled hackers, as NSA has. They can use Twitter and Facebook as political weapons as USA does.

    Is Kaspersky a Trojan? may be. Is windows a Trojan? may be. It only would probe that they can also use Russian companies to send trojans as USA does. Kaspersky is good antivirus with a level similar to any western antivirus.

    This is a new cold war in the realm of communications and cryptography, and contenders are even. Russia and China have good defenses. In fact, they have their own social networks that are much more used that Facebook. China has a whatsapp-like (weTalk) that is much better that whatsapp. It is used also as payment system... if you deposit money, you get more interests that banks, so they are slowly entering in western countries. They have shown that they have good products to offer to western countries, and as non-American I don't see any difference between being hacked by White House, Kremling or China government, so there is going to be a good fight.

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  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by JoeMerchant on Monday January 15 2018, @03:15PM (6 children)

    by JoeMerchant (3937) on Monday January 15 2018, @03:15PM (#622579)

    I would call a fight where the bullets are ones and zeros flying around optical fiber networks the best kind of fight.

    Now, if we could reduce our dependency on the almighty dollar, those ones and zeroes would have a lot less potential to do real physical harm to people.

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    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by bob_super on Monday January 15 2018, @05:42PM (2 children)

      by bob_super (1357) on Monday January 15 2018, @05:42PM (#622636)

      > I would call a fight where the bullets are ones and zeros flying around optical fiber networks the best kind of fight.

      My only problem with this, is that idiots have decided to put vital infrastructure controls at the end of some of the fibers.
      And some asshole has decided that it was cheaper to replace human interface to a safe network, and allow access to all my deposits from another one of those fibers.

      We're not safe from collateral damage in cyber-war. Keep that paper bank statement (yes, the one they're desperate to replace with an e-mail).

      • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Monday January 15 2018, @07:19PM (1 child)

        by JoeMerchant (3937) on Monday January 15 2018, @07:19PM (#622671)

        I feel the same way about paper, but... what happens when my paper 401(k) statement says I have $350K saved up at the end of the last month, and then the electronic transactions show $9999 per day being transferred to various numbered Swiss accounts starting the day after the statement was printed? Does the paper do anything at all to help in that situation? By the time you get the next paper, your account could already be drained to $35.00

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        • (Score: 2) by bob_super on Monday January 15 2018, @07:35PM

          by bob_super (1357) on Monday January 15 2018, @07:35PM (#622679)

          That;s when you grab your paper, and have a face-to-face discussion with a human being until they admit that it's highly implausible that you suddenly decided to drain your 401k into some Nigerian-Nork-Russian prince's bank account without warning.
          If someone goes Gitlab at the bank's database, it's also a lot better to have a paper they printed with the amount that they owe you, rather than show them some e-mail you claim they sent you just before they lost the data. I'm not sure what the FDIC's stand on e-mails is, so i'll keep stacking my bank and employer statements recording every dollar I earned...

    • (Score: 2) by Lester on Monday January 15 2018, @08:13PM (2 children)

      by Lester (6231) on Monday January 15 2018, @08:13PM (#622701) Journal

      Don't trust war will stay in the ones and zeroes world too long if one of the contenders is defeated in that zone.

      If one destroys other's cybernetic defenses, next, it will take advantage of it. So, just the minute before being defeated in cyberworld, it commit a sneak attack in real world. Perhaps destroying a communication facility, and then the other side...

      The best is similar forces and everyone watching each other with small skirmishes here and there. Nuclear deterrence has worked for years.

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by JoeMerchant on Monday January 15 2018, @08:47PM (1 child)

        by JoeMerchant (3937) on Monday January 15 2018, @08:47PM (#622719)

        The best is everybody buying in to that old Coca Cola ad from the '70s "I'd like to teach the world to sing, in perfect harmony, I'd like to buy the world a Coke, and keep them company...." or something like that.

        The more Chinese we have commuting to/from the US, the more Americans we have commuting to/from China, the more personal and business relationships that develop across borders, and the more those people with the relationships participate in their respective countries' governments, the closer we will be to not needing to spend so much on MAD.

        Open war between the countries means freezing / seizing assets of foreign nationals, when the value of those assets is high enough, that's a strong disincentive to go to war.

        We've only been serious about racial integration in the US for about 50 years, and we've only had really open heavy trade with China for about 25... these things take time, but so far we seem to be moving on a mostly positive track.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 15 2018, @11:12PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 15 2018, @11:12PM (#622835)

          This is a fundamental idea behind the European Union.

          The more the people from the different countries mix together, the less likely it becomes that one European country will go to war with another European country.

          For those that are interested, Wikipedia has a good article under "Schuman Declaration".

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 15 2018, @10:37PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 15 2018, @10:37PM (#622816)

    If anything, being hacked by a foreign government rather than your own might be preferable, as foreign governments rarely care to use parallel construction in order to press criminal charges over domestic infractions. All the better if it's a foreign government with no interest in sharing what it learns with your own.

    Of course, if you're trying to protect intellectual property or trade secrets, you'd probably prefer that it's your government who will respect copyright, rather than a foreign government who will funnel that information into its own private sector for the boost to the GDP and the ability to cut down on reliance on foreign goods and services.