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posted by Fnord666 on Monday January 15 2018, @08:26PM   Printer-friendly
from the It's-FOSS dept.

Linux system manufacturer System76 introduced a beautiful looking Linux distribution called Pop!_OS. But is Pop OS worth an install? Read the Pop OS review and find out yourself.

More at : https://itsfoss.com/pop-os-linux-review/


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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by turgid on Monday January 15 2018, @09:54PM (11 children)

    by turgid (4318) Subscriber Badge on Monday January 15 2018, @09:54PM (#622764) Journal

    A scientist will use Scientific Linux. An engineer will not find his engineering tools there (they are 95% on Windows.)

    Funy that. This engineer's been using Solaris and Linux for Engineering since 2001, and at home for fun since 1996.

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  • (Score: 1) by tftp on Monday January 15 2018, @10:05PM (10 children)

    by tftp (806) on Monday January 15 2018, @10:05PM (#622772) Homepage
    I'm curious, what kind of engineering are you doing? What Linux tools work for you? In my area (mechanical and electronic design) there are no top notch Linux tools.
    • (Score: 2) by turgid on Monday January 15 2018, @10:11PM (9 children)

      by turgid (4318) Subscriber Badge on Monday January 15 2018, @10:11PM (#622780) Journal

      Software mainly including embedded systems and now something a bit different with many in-house tools and FOSS.

      • (Score: 1) by tftp on Monday January 15 2018, @10:29PM (1 child)

        by tftp (806) on Monday January 15 2018, @10:29PM (#622805) Homepage

        Thanks! I sometimes do AVR (32) projects, but using Windows GUI. I am aware that there is a Linux toolchain, but never explored it. Don't even know if there is a debugger (gdb+Eclipse, perhaps? It was one of earlier official IDEs.)

        There is Xilinx, though. They always had portable tools, and they ship Linux tar along with Windows. I used it quite a few years ago. Their tools are the same on both OS. Some functions (distributed place & route, IIRC) worked only on Linux.

        But for me, as I said, eng tools for Linux do not exist. Autodesk went with Windows all the way. It's pretty, but not portable. And why to port? The tools cost 10x - 100x of the cost of the PC. SolidWorks, Mentor's software - all of that is Windows. Windows for them is just a runtime (as it was supposed to be, actually.)

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 16 2018, @12:51AM (5 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 16 2018, @12:51AM (#622893)

        I wonder if this is a peculiarity of the English language. In my native language, the term engineer is almost exclusively used for mechanical engineers, while also being an official state-designated title to acquire after completing education.

        Software "engineering" works for me as a metaphor, but the distinction from "developer" to me seems too little to further muddy the meaning of the word "engineer". I guess you just have too many of those in the anglophone world so we quit making any more certified, diploma'd ones and now call our actual, mechanical engineers... masters. lol.

        • (Score: 4, Funny) by Arik on Tuesday January 16 2018, @05:10AM (3 children)

          by Arik (4543) on Tuesday January 16 2018, @05:10AM (#622997) Journal
          "I wonder if this is a peculiarity of the English language. "

          No, just a long-term campaign to erode the language and make more money. Script monkeys started calling themselves "software engineers" back in the 90s, if not before, in an attempt to gain status by association. Real engineers build things that have to work.
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          • (Score: 3, Insightful) by fido_dogstoyevsky on Tuesday January 16 2018, @12:07PM (2 children)

            by fido_dogstoyevsky (131) <axehandleNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Tuesday January 16 2018, @12:07PM (#623094)

            Real engineers build things that have to work.

            Because real engineers* get their arses kicked if the things they build don't work.

             

            *ie the ones who belong to their relevant Institution of Engineers.

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            • (Score: 2) by Arik on Wednesday January 17 2018, @03:04AM (1 child)

              by Arik (4543) on Wednesday January 17 2018, @03:04AM (#623405) Journal
              Well because they are held liable if they don't work.

              If you don't carry a multi-million dollar professional liability policy then in my mind you're no engineer. When bridges fall down and the people on them die or are horribly disfigured we don't accept excuses like 'well it was easier to use the libraries we knew' - large settlements have to go out.
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              • (Score: 3, Informative) by fido_dogstoyevsky on Wednesday January 17 2018, @05:24AM

                by fido_dogstoyevsky (131) <axehandleNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Wednesday January 17 2018, @05:24AM (#623452)

                ...When bridges fall down and the people on them die or are horribly disfigured we don't accept excuses like 'well it was easier to use the libraries we knew'...

                You mean a sign on the bridge saying something like:

                DISCLAIMER OF WARRANTY. The software bridge is licensed made available "as-is." You bear the risk of using it. Acme Engineering* gives no express warranties, guarantees or conditions. Acme Engineering excludes the implied warranties of merchantability, fitness for a particular purpose and non-infringement. You can recover from Acme Engineering and its suppliers only direct damages up to U.S. $5.00. You cannot recover any other damages, including consequential, lost profits, special, indirect or incidental damages.

                probably won't work? It seems to be acceptable for some software makers :)

                 

                *No longer just a mail order shop.

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        • (Score: 3, Interesting) by turgid on Tuesday January 16 2018, @07:35AM

          by turgid (4318) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday January 16 2018, @07:35AM (#623031) Journal

          I have a science degree of sorts, and I apply the scientific method to my software development, unlike many others who apply hubris and superstition. I also did a bit of "proper" engineering at a nuclear power station before I went into software.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 26 2018, @06:49PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 26 2018, @06:49PM (#628409)

        That's not engineering.