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posted by Fnord666 on Wednesday January 17 2018, @01:39PM   Printer-friendly
from the new-1984-models dept.

Now that automobile manufacturers are almost more about software than hardware, your car company may know more about you than your spouse based on all the sensors in your car. The incentive to collect driver and passenger data is great. Every piece of data is used to increase revenue, especially if sold onward to third-parties.

Dunn may consider his everyday driving habits mundane, but auto and privacy experts suspect that big automakers like Honda see them as anything but. By monitoring his everyday movements, an automaker can vacuum up a massive amount of personal information about someone like Dunn, everything from how fast he drives and how hard he brakes to how much fuel his car uses and the entertainment he prefers. The company can determine where he shops, the weather on his street, how often he wears his seat belt, what he was doing moments before a wreck — even where he likes to eat and how much he weighs.

Though drivers may not realize it, tens of millions of American cars are being monitored like Dunn's, experts say, and the number increases with nearly every new vehicle that is leased or sold.

The result is that carmakers have turned on a powerful spigot of precious personal data, often without owners' knowledge, transforming the automobile from a machine that helps us travel to a sophisticated computer on wheels that offers even more access to our personal habits and behaviors than smartphones do.


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  • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday January 17 2018, @03:59PM (9 children)

    by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 17 2018, @03:59PM (#623630) Journal

    Or that he/she brings his/hers. Or that you don't take the batteries out first.

    But why can't you just stay connected in case of emergencies without your mobile network provider, or google trying keep track of everywhere you've been?

    Oh, and Facebook realizing that two people who have no other obvious connection seem to frequently be together at the same time and place. And then Facebook lets the world know that you might know this other person. Has Facebook no idea about privacy? That people might prefer to keep their associations secret -- especially if they are colluding with foreign powers to influence the election process and perhaps even the national security of the united states?

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  • (Score: 3, Touché) by Nuke on Wednesday January 17 2018, @04:48PM (1 child)

    by Nuke (3162) on Wednesday January 17 2018, @04:48PM (#623646)

    DannyB wrote :-

    Has Facebook no idea about privacy?

    No. Have you been under a rock for the last few years?

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by DannyB on Wednesday January 17 2018, @05:15PM

      by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 17 2018, @05:15PM (#623660) Journal

      People would say Yes I have been under a rock, since I've never had, and never will have any FaceTwit.

      But my perspective is different as I watch all the FaceTwit users with their face glued constantly to their phones.

      written while I engage in the immensely valuable activity of posting on SN

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  • (Score: 4, Informative) by Grishnakh on Wednesday January 17 2018, @05:40PM

    by Grishnakh (2831) on Wednesday January 17 2018, @05:40PM (#623673)

    Has Facebook no idea about privacy? That people might prefer to keep their associations secret

    Yes, Facebook does know about privacy. They simply don't agree with it. They've publicly stated in the past that people shouldn't expect privacy. Quite simply: they don't believe in personal privacy, and if you trust your private information to them, you're a fool.

  • (Score: 2) by HiThere on Wednesday January 17 2018, @06:49PM (4 children)

    by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 17 2018, @06:49PM (#623715) Journal

    With many phones, the batteries aren't removable. But you can put it in an insulated box. Box is really the wrong term, what I mean is you can sandwich a fine metal wire screen between two pieces of cloth, shape it into a close-able pocket, and stick the phone in there. Of course, a solid metal box would be better in some ways, but less convenient. OTOH, perhaps those plastic envelopes that they transport ICs in would work. I'm not sure their lining wouldn't block radio signals.

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    • (Score: 4, Informative) by Virindi on Wednesday January 17 2018, @11:05PM

      by Virindi (3484) on Wednesday January 17 2018, @11:05PM (#623890)

      OTOH, perhaps those plastic envelopes that they transport ICs in would work.

      I have a bunch of those so I decided to give this a try. I inserted my phone into a metalized plastic bag ("SCS Static Shielding Bag 1000", from Digikey), without changing the phone orientation or position. After insertion, I folded over the edge of the bag to ensure the opening was well closed, and sealed the zip top. Signal strength dropped from "4 bars" to "2 bars". I made a test call and it was successful.

    • (Score: 1) by anubi on Thursday January 18 2018, @11:05AM (2 children)

      by anubi (2828) on Thursday January 18 2018, @11:05AM (#624090) Journal

      How about those tins chocolates and cookies show up in?

      They are pretty little tins... and I like them to keep my stuff that I am trying to shield from an EMP in. I have a bunch of big red ones chocolates came in... just the size for putting in a file cabinet. Here's hoping that should we have a big EMP, the silicon I am using to build my arduino-compatibles and a couple of laptops ( that run on 12VDC ) will survive.

      I gotta keep my parts somewhere. So, I file all my silicon, transistors, whatever, in these. Another favorite container is metal ammo boxes. So stackable, and uniform in size, so I don't have to worry about having them collapse or fall apart on me.

      Yeh, go ahead and call me a worry-wort, considering we have an EMP, but I really didn't pay a dime for the "insurance"... I just rescued the stuff from going to the landfill. I figured it made more sense to keep this kind of stuff in a sturdy box rather than flimsy plastic drawers.

      To me, its more like carrying a spare engine belt, coolant, tools, and fuel in my van, especially if I am going into the desert.

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      • (Score: 2) by Virindi on Thursday January 18 2018, @05:47PM

        by Virindi (3484) on Thursday January 18 2018, @05:47PM (#624245)

        How about those tins chocolates and cookies show up in?

        They are pretty little tins... and I like them to keep my stuff that I am trying to shield from an EMP in.

        Aren't those made of sheet steel? A steel box may not provide sufficient shielding for a large EMP, you need aluminum.

      • (Score: 2) by HiThere on Thursday January 18 2018, @05:48PM

        by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Thursday January 18 2018, @05:48PM (#624246) Journal

        Try it. Put your phone in the box and call it. Not guaranteed as a test, but reasonably good unless it was specifically designed to fake this out.

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  • (Score: 2) by el_oscuro on Thursday January 18 2018, @04:18AM

    by el_oscuro (1711) on Thursday January 18 2018, @04:18AM (#624003)

    pi-holed: *.facebook.com

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