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After 10 PM EST on Friday, The U.S. Senate rejected a deal that would fund the U.S. government for another month:
Only five Democrats voted to advance the bill — Sens. Joe Manchin (W.Va.), Joe Donnelly (Ind.), Heidi Heitkamp (N.D.) and Claire McCaskill (Mo.), who are all up for reelection this year in states carried by President Trump in 2016 election, and newly-elected Sen. Doug Jones (D-Ala.).
Republicans were also not united, as Sens. Rand Paul (Ky.), Lindsey Graham (S.C.), Mike Lee (Utah) and Jeff Flake (Ariz.) also voted against advancing the legislation. Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), who is battling brain cancer, was absent.
The procedural vote remained open late Friday, though it needed 60 votes to pass and was well short of that number with 48 senators voting against it.
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer continued to negotiate after the vote opened (archive), but no deal has been reached yet. As of midnight (5 minutes before this story went live), the government shutdown was in effect.
At Wikipedia: Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) and Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP). Government shutdowns in the United States.
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- The CHIP Debacle Shows Democrats Need to Put the Government on Autopilot
- 'We Have to Stand Our Ground.' Activists Push Democrats to Fight for DACA Recipients in Shutdown
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- Analysis: Emboldened Democrats take a risk on a shutdown
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Whoever on Saturday January 20 2018, @05:39AM (51 children)
You misspelled "cost".
http://money.cnn.com/2018/01/19/news/economy/government-shutdown-cost/index.html [cnn.com]
(Score: 1, Informative) by Sulla on Saturday January 20 2018, @06:08AM (3 children)
If it cost the federal government money to shutdown governments wouldn't be fixing budget gaps with furlough days.
Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 20 2018, @06:22AM (2 children)
If it saved money, they would shut down more often.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Sulla on Saturday January 20 2018, @06:37AM
States that actually have to keep a balanced budget do this often
https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/2016/11/24/for-many-state-employees-black-friday-is-a-holiday-its-just-not-a-paid-one/ [adn.com]
http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2010/09/dont_forget_friday_is_another.html [oregonlive.com]
Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam
(Score: 2, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday January 20 2018, @11:37AM
Ha! What reality are you living in? Cause it sure as hell ain't this one.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by aristarchus on Saturday January 20 2018, @06:34AM (46 children)
Sulla is like that, often confused, unable to realize that costs deferred are not debts forgiven. In fact, I am seriously starting to doubt the budgeting ability of almost all Republicans, and their basic math skills. $1.2 Trillion in deficits to fund your tax cuts, and you think a government shutdown will save money? You namesake cries at your simple math errors, Sulla!
(Score: 3, Informative) by Sulla on Saturday January 20 2018, @06:49AM (29 children)
Costs deferred are debts not incurred. A furlough day for the State of AK saves thousands for one day of not keeping the heat at 72 degrees, when people are not in the office buildings are left in a night mode to save on gas/electric costs. Water is not flowing unless where needed to protect pipes. A pre-encumbrance or encumbrance to pay for services only valid for specific days will not be approved, in some cases it means scheduling a tech for a later date but in others it means the goods are not required.
Paying for certain things like debts already incurred is a good idea, but these are something you can plan for ahead of time to avoid any additional fees. Oregon during furloughs does not shut down revenue collection agencies (alcohol stores, certain parks, etc) which is also a ggood move, but there are a lot of unnecessary expenses that can be avoided.
The Romans disbanded the army when not at war, when they stopped doing so they lost the Republic.
Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam
(Score: 2) by MostCynical on Saturday January 20 2018, @06:51AM (6 children)
Even wikipedia says "cost"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_shutdowns_in_the_United_States [wikipedia.org]
Lost labor
Money removed from economy
GDP takes a hit
"I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
(Score: 5, Touché) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday January 20 2018, @11:40AM (5 children)
Wikipedia says whatever fits its staff's (paid or otherwise) worldviews. One of these days you may find that out, same as I did. On that day please refer to this post where I did indeed tell you so.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2, Offtopic) by Hyperturtle on Saturday January 20 2018, @02:44PM (3 children)
That's right; wikipedia used to be a bastion of knowledge and fact. It was glorious, once upon a time. It started with dedicated people with a knowledgebase they wanted to share, people eager to learn, and readers willing to volunteer their own knowledge.
Now it's just as trolled as anything else that gets soiled as soon as what we can call the mainstream masses (as opposed to media--because the mainstream media will now go to look at wikipedia and recite whatever falsehoods are there without much further fact checking, if any fact checking).
It's a case of politics ruining everything. That includes personal, petty, and governmental politics (it didn't start with governmental politics but I won't go into that any deeper than this). People rewrite their histories more favorably, or hire people to do it. People change other people's histories to look bad, or accuse them of things, or introduce outright lies and slander. Established scientific fact may be subtly altered just enough to be completely missed by the layperson and when actions taken to fix it, some bot or some corporate shill goes right back to state no that is allegedly causing cancer or behavioral issues or it truly is a miracle drug and lead is not so bad in candy if used responsibly and so on. Sometimes articles are updated to reflect new false data posted elsewhere to move some agenda and make it look that much more legit due to numerous sources being cited -- that are false, but look as if they are following the source and citation rules. Editors without knowledge in the subjet may have no idea BS has been introduced for someone else's gain.
Some of the best things in life are free, and some of the most ruined things started out that way as well... It's not ruined yet, but you still can't rely on it complicitly. I am guessing it's something TMB learned the hard way or unexpectedly... happened to me, too, then it all became clear.
Don't trust everything you read online, even if it seems to come from an authoritative source.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Saturday January 20 2018, @03:30PM (1 child)
I kinda agree - but you exaggerate how good they once were. That "bastion" business is just over doing it.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Hyperturtle on Friday February 09 2018, @03:59PM
well... at first it was the only free, decent, encyclopedia on the internet, which sort of made it a Bastion of knowledge. And yeah that was a bit of truthful hyperbole; I guess I can't pull that off too well. Most other sites were behind a paywall or needed you to insert a local disk to open up a page that redirected you to their paywalled content. (Remember the "multimedia PC" of the mid 90s?)
Anyway once upon a time, people could order a copy of wikipedia on DVD. I looked recently at the wikipedia store; I was curious to know if they even had something like that anymore. They seem to have mostly XXL sized apparel now. Seeing that, it is hard to even correlate them as or with a bastion of anything.
(Score: 5, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 20 2018, @04:52PM
That's why I only read textbooks from Texas to get information. For instance, did you know that white male Republicans did everything worthwhile and liberals hate America so much because socialism is an excuse for normalizing sodomy so they can't take your Freedoms? Uh huh.
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Sunday January 21 2018, @03:23AM
OT thought experiment: on Duckduckgo, search for styxhexenhammer666 and note what comes up as the display result. Now click the link in the display result.
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 20 2018, @06:58AM (13 children)
They tried all this "austerity" crap where I worked, a state University, in a hot and humid state. Yeah, just shut off the A/C (note, different from shutting off ACs) for the weekends, money saved on energy! Until the black mold and Legionaire's disease built up in the ductwork, and we had to shut down the whole system, the entire university, and pay for a complete replacement of the entire physical plant. Ever heard of "Pennywise, but Pound Foolish"? Speaking of Pennywise. . . .
(Score: 5, Insightful) by TheGratefulNet on Saturday January 20 2018, @07:17AM (10 children)
republicans will rob you blind and tell you that its for your own good.
when will people stop listening to CHURCHES who force people (basically, via mental games) to vote for the R's.
this country seems to be hell bent on having people vote against their own best interest. because, jesus, or something....
how fucking stupid this country really is. perhaps we really don't deserve to be a first world country. everything I've seen over the past decades kind of shows that.
"It is now safe to switch off your computer."
(Score: 2) by fishybell on Saturday January 20 2018, @09:29AM (1 child)
Dead babies...Dead Babies!...DEAD BABIES!!!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 20 2018, @04:54PM
Buttsecks!...buttsecks!... BUTTSECKS!!!
(Score: 5, Insightful) by c0lo on Saturday January 20 2018, @11:51AM (1 child)
No worries, mate, continue like this and you won't.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 20 2018, @02:11PM
We haven't been a first-world country since we adopted the never forgive, never-forget mindset for our citizen's legal infractions. You can't claim you're a first-world country when you have a permanently and intentionally disadvantaged underclass of supposedly "free" citizens.
"Shithole" is an excellent description of our social structure. Thanks, Donald.
We're a turd-world country.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by JoeMerchant on Saturday January 20 2018, @05:04PM
It's the rot of a hedonistic empire... those in power have everything that the previous generation could imagine wanting, and more... just reaching higher because they can.
All of this has happened before, and will happen again.
🌻🌻 [google.com]
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 20 2018, @09:14PM (1 child)
I vote republican (well, never democrat) and don't listen to any church. I guess I can't possibly exist because I don't fit your stereotype. Oh well. I wish I existed. Anyway...
This "people vote against their own best interest" thing is fascinating to me. You are so sure that you understand what is best for other people that you can't comprehend why they would legitimately make different choices than you do. You have to justify it in your mind with strange logic. Your enemy simply must be fooled into voting wrongly, or else they are evil. It couldn't possibly be that you yourself are fooled or evil.
If it is in my best interest to vote myself more handouts, and we all do this, what is the end result? The economy collapses. Along the way we are promised goodies (free healthcare, high minimum wage, roofs over our heads, free college, and even literally a free lunch) but the end result is disaster. The trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
It is downright selfish to vote yourself more of other people's stuff. It might seem weird to you that a person would object to receiving free stuff, but to many of us it feels wrong.
Self-esteem and self-respect are important to many people. You don't get that by being on the dole. People take pride in supporting themselves, and they take offense at those who leach off of others.
Oh, and then there are all the issues not directly related to taxes and welfare. Yes, you can be an atheist who thinks that killing unborn children is wrong. Yes, you can be an atheist who thinks that LGBT are as crazy as people who hear fire hydrants talking to them. Yes, you can be an atheist who thinks that considering an illegal alien to be an undocumented member of the community is like considering a rapist to be an undocumented spouse. Yes, you can be an atheist who hates Muslims about a trillion times more than Christians. Yes, you can be an atheist who likes the gun laws of Florida (stand your ground, even away from home) and Texas (deadly force to defend property).
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 20 2018, @09:23PM
Yes, I also opposed the Republican tax bill. Then need to give back all that they took from other people.
(Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Saturday January 20 2018, @11:06PM
--Peter Medawar
I'm not surprised at any of this. But then again, I'm not very sanguine about such things. ;)
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 21 2018, @12:32AM
You aren't a first world country by most civilized standards.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 21 2018, @03:53PM
If America stops being a first world foil, all you've got left is Russia, China, and the EU+Australia as the 'First World', and two out of three of those are definitely fascist and the third is proto-fascist. All three having 'imaginary property' propped up economies (as does the US) whether via actual IP, or via virtualized currency (fiat taken to a new extreme) where the country's worth/debt ceiling is set by how much they can claim on paper they are worth before someone can blow the whistle on how many resources they actually have left.
Unless the intelligent human resources can be pooled to collapse not only the US, but the China, Russia and finally the EU, nothing will get better in the world. You might even be able to collapse them in a different order, but the danger stems from collapsing the wrong economy and giving the alternatives time to muster their militaries before they run out of domestic finance and the 'peasants' can revolt. If they roll over adjoining nations, the newfound wealth would allow them to continue dominating the rest of the world.
(Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 20 2018, @02:39PM
RIghtards love it up the ass
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 20 2018, @03:22PM
Black mold and Legionaire's shut you down? What a bunch of pansies. The good old days in Europe required bubonic plague or worse to shut things down.
(Score: 4, Informative) by Whoever on Saturday January 20 2018, @05:03PM
Why do you keep supporting the Republicans, then? It's the Republicans that want to spend ever more on the military.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 20 2018, @05:06PM (6 children)
Western civilization needs to really reaaaaally get over with the roman civilization. It was neither greatest nor its fall avoidable. No matter how much everyone wants to believe it. And then people need to understand that if anybody had any idea about how and why Roman empire fell, they might have saved it. Since it wasn't saved, nobody who had an iota of knowledge about saving it survived. Now we are just looking at the what Rome did before its fall and reading it as tea leaves. There is no information to be gathered from it. If there ever was, it wouldn't have taken industrial revolution to kick a bunch of tribals into becoming the peaceful nazis they want to remain.
(Score: 2) by https on Saturday January 20 2018, @07:28PM (2 children)
...or maybe those who had the ability to save it had a personal incentive to not.
So hush, child, and go back to school on Monday. If it hasn't been closed due to billionaire charter school advocates ripping away government funding.
Offended and laughing about it.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 20 2018, @09:25PM (1 child)
I'm sure you can't wrap your head around it, but lots of us Trump supporters really like the new Secretary of Education. In my opinion, she is my second favorite cabinet member after Mattis. She is bringing back rule of law.
College students were getting kicked out based on flimsy accusations of sexual misconduct. Under the Obama-era policy, the concept of "innocent until proven guilty" was completely tossed aside. DeVos fixed that.
Under pressure from Obama-era policy, discipline in public schools was racist. Instead of applying equal standards to all students, schools tracked discipline by race. On a per-student basis, non-white students could only get punished as often as white students. The non-white students could get away with all sorts of things and they knew it. It is now allowable, though sadly not required, to apply uniform standards.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 20 2018, @10:03PM
You're all crazier than we thought!
Holy hell we're fucked, Mars is our next best hope for ditching these wackos.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Sulla on Saturday January 20 2018, @11:01PM (2 children)
For you to say that means you know nothing of history. When you study the history of the fall, both of the republic to tyranny and then the empire to apathy you can see clear similarities to the death of the american republic and empire. Immigration is good and keeps the republic healthy as long as the immigrants integrate as romans/americans/british in nature. Roman histories at the time talked about and knew what was killing their empire, foreigners coming from abroad who had no desire to integrate combined with romans at home who had no desire to procreate. Eventually the culture that built it did not have enough support to prop up the system and it failed.
Rome is far from a perfect example, but the cycles of empirs repeat themselves. Empires that fell from within all did for the same reason and we are following the same path. Overspending, devaluation of the currency, death of the culture that promoted its growth in the first place, apathy of the people that lived there.
Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 21 2018, @06:22AM (1 child)
Fecking OstroGoths! Build a wall! Remember Teutonburg! Keep the damn Germans out!
Sybilline Prophecy, No. 1236
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 27 2018, @04:55PM
*Teutoburg
(Score: 3, Insightful) by aristarchus on Saturday January 20 2018, @08:11AM (15 children)
Oh, Sulla! Surely you realize the way to redress slights like this is assassination on the floor of the Senate, because that is what you led Rome to. Flamebait modding is below your historical stature, and against the standards of SoylentNews.
(Score: 0, Offtopic) by Sulla on Saturday January 20 2018, @08:38AM (6 children)
My current downmod percentage is 6.76% and the last time I down moderated anyone was back in October, as you know very well. I also try to use half of them daily on upmodding ACs who make good points regardless of if I agree with them or not because I think it healthy for the community. If I were to waste my upmod streak on something as pointless as a person I disagree with I would use a disagree mod, but then I would miss my december 31 goal of 1.5% downmod ratio.
If you wish to continue this discussion it is best done where all off topic conversations should be done, a journal. Might I suggest the entry I just posted about not missusing offtopic, troll, and flamebait.
Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam
(Score: 3, Interesting) by aristarchus on Saturday January 20 2018, @10:18AM (5 children)
Sorry, bro, gonna have to downmod you on this post. Just too negative, and not at all informative! You had a journal about mod abuse? How original. Did you cc TMB? He seems to think that downmodding is somehow intrinsically bad. But I, and others, know it is inherently good. And no, I do not know when the last time you downmodded anyone was. Do you think that I am admin? I worry more about my submission success rate, which now dangles periously at about 18%. I would like to think that it is because my submissions suck, but I do check out the editorial IRC channel, and sadly, that is not the reason. And you, my dear Sulla, are part of the problem. Do not encourage those who would do harm to the Republic, for their own personal gain, however petty. That way lies the Ruin of the Senātus Populusque Rōmānus.
(Score: 1, Offtopic) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday January 20 2018, @11:44AM (2 children)
Rest assured, it most certainly is. Unfortunately they suck in the same ways you do; you're unable to smell your own stink, as it were.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1, Offtopic) by Runaway1956 on Saturday January 20 2018, @03:32PM
#sux2baristarchus
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 20 2018, @09:43PM
You are such a hypocrite, but I can agree that aristarchus really likes to flamebait.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Gaaark on Saturday January 20 2018, @02:28PM
You know, if you actually CONTRIBUTED something to the site, people might be more tolerant of your being just an asshole.
Instead, your contributions are just whining and personal vendettas.
Man up.
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 20 2018, @02:51PM
https://soylentnews.org/submit.pl?op=viewsub&subid=24385¬e=&title=Right-wing+extremists+killed+more+than+twice+as+many+people+as+Islamic+extremists. [soylentnews.org]
Garbage post.
https://soylentnews.org/submit.pl?op=viewsub&subid=24386¬e=&title=The+Orbán+government’s+international+conference+on+the+future+of+Europe%2C+with+Milo+Yiannopoulos [soylentnews.org]
Ah, I see a trend.
https://soylentnews.org/submit.pl?op=viewsub&subid=24402¬e=&title=Sebastian+Gorka+was+White+House+aide+while+fugitive+from+Hungarian+justice%2C+NRA+passed+Russian+funds [soylentnews.org]
A measure of intelligence here, you just can't get your message through due to incompetent writing. AND, still a trend in messages.
Learn to submit something worth reading, and submit it with intelligence and without snark and your submissions might get accepted. Submit garbage, as I have done at times, and it gets rejected: you just aren't smart enough to realize this.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday January 20 2018, @11:42AM (7 children)
I don't think they let you take bigass knives into the Senate nowadays. Quite unfortunate, really.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 4, Informative) by Phoenix666 on Saturday January 20 2018, @12:14PM (3 children)
Don't need a knife. A big shard of glass will do. Many other objects can provide a sharp edge in a pinch.
If not, there's always the classic, the blunt object.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 20 2018, @12:55PM (1 child)
I nominate Phoenix666 for the next big watchlist.
(Score: 1) by redneckmother on Saturday January 20 2018, @02:18PM
Too late!
Mas cerveza por favor.
(Score: 2) by cubancigar11 on Saturday January 20 2018, @05:15PM
Oh I see none of you are connoisseur of B-grade cinema. All you need is a wine bottle and you break it on a stool or table and voila, you have sharp object in the shape of a half broken bottle!
(Score: 3, Informative) by JoeMerchant on Saturday January 20 2018, @05:06PM (2 children)
Last time I was in D.C. some schmuck brought a gun into Congress, just about 24 hours exactly after we were there - they made kind of a mess when they shot him up, missed several times and hit the walls.
🌻🌻 [google.com]
(Score: 3, Funny) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday January 20 2018, @07:19PM
Free entertainment with your sightseeing then? Nice.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by aristarchus on Sunday January 21 2018, @06:37AM
That was just Felon Congressman Grimes, who was busy breaking some sallow youth of a reporter in two. Nothing to see here, carry on, citizen. And I do mean, "concealed carry" on!