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posted by Fnord666 on Thursday January 25 2018, @07:51PM   Printer-friendly
from the dangerous-precedent dept.

Submitted via IRC for TheMightyBuzzard

The social media giant may be guilty of violating of California law regarding discriminating against a political class, and being deceptive to their customer base. Twitter, by discriminating against people on the right, has exposed itself to a potential cascade of legal liability—including a potential class action suit.

Despite being from dangerous.com, this is not an attempted troll. The author gives a quite interesting analysis of Twitter's potential legal issues in censoring political speech in California.

Source: https://www.dangerous.com/40574/arroz-strong-case-twitter-censorship-violates-californias-civil-rights-laws/


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  • (Score: 5, Interesting) by c0lo on Thursday January 25 2018, @11:31PM (11 children)

    by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Thursday January 25 2018, @11:31PM (#627958) Journal

    Specifically the check-your-privilege crazy motherfuckers, and those that can't possibly stand Milo saying some words in a University. Universities used to be a place for critical debate, but to deny the debate, start fires, and acting shamefully isn't helping anyone.

    The rational reaction to a troll is not to debate with it, it is to ignore it**
    Until you realize that others aren't able of rationality, can't detect a troll so they become "infected" (or just uninhibited, like the white sups) and start behaving trollish in the physical sense.
    Which (already visible) progression triggers a (non-rational) reaction: fear. If you are young and impressive and boiling with hormones, you'll be shitting your pants, throw rationality aside and start fires.

    What's the solution? Not an easy one to expose, but certainly:
    - involves "do not feed the troll in the first place" - can't have a debate in Gish gallop [wikipedia.org] style, even if a show with two gish gallopers may be a vacuous piece of entertaining;
    - does not involve put a fist into troll's mouth, much less bury him 6 foot under.

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    ** do you actually believe Milo is anything else but a troll?
       

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  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 26 2018, @12:45AM (10 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 26 2018, @12:45AM (#628001)

    The rational reaction to a troll is not to debate with it, it is to ignore it**

    You can't ignore it. They'll just go underground and find an echo chamber while claiming to be a victim of censorship, thereby making them seem even more credible in the eyes of dummies who find them. If you're right that people will mindlessly listen to such people, then we're doomed no matter what, but less doomed if they are openly challenged.

    Plus, your 'deplatform this person for being stupid and wrong' approach is often turned against people who are actually correct, such as those who were against the Iraq war in the early years. You say we shouldn't engage such people, but that is actually a worse option than publicly opposing them. Not to mention that I respect the principle of (rather than just the legal implementation of) free speech.

    • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Friday January 26 2018, @01:50AM (1 child)

      by aristarchus (2645) on Friday January 26 2018, @01:50AM (#628027) Journal

      This:

      You can't ignore it. They'll just go underground and find an echo chamber while claiming to be a victim of censorship, thereby making them seem even more credible in the eyes of dummies who find them. If you're right that people will mindlessly listen to such people, then we're doomed no matter what, but less doomed if they are openly challenged.

      is competely wrong.

      • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday January 26 2018, @02:50AM

        by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Friday January 26 2018, @02:50AM (#628049) Journal

        Stating the evident, one letter at a time, magister, aren't you?

        What else can one do, though?
        No, seriously, don't take it as rhetorical Q. There's seldom a single solution, what others are there?

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        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
    • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday January 26 2018, @02:38AM (7 children)

      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Friday January 26 2018, @02:38AM (#628044) Journal

      Not only you can, you must do it if you want to be successful.
      The troll wants all the oxygen he can get to burn the discontent of a disillusioned society (even if it results in burning down the society itself)
      If you want to do something that matters in this regard, your (and others) time and resources are better spent in making the world around you just a little bit better everyday - in other words, make that dead wood he wants to burn a fertile/productive tree.

      BTW - if you expect help or initiative in this direction from your govt or corporations, you are naive: it is them who are encouraging you, the American people, to waste yourself in infights because it serve their purposes - keep you under their control. Forget about them, forget about irrelevant differences between you, remember that competition can happen between healthy entities and cooperation is better when you aren't in the peak form and start building something by your-many-self.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 26 2018, @02:59AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 26 2018, @02:59AM (#628057)

        BTW - if you expect help or initiative in this direction from your govt or corporations, you are naive: it is them who are encouraging you,

        You know, just like citizens aren't a monolithic group, neither are corps or government agencies. Your grouping of all them into the category of enemy blinds you to potential allies. It was the actions of some corps and the governments of other states that made Mike Pence back down on discriminating against trans people in Indiana as well as the legislatures in North Carolina and Texas.

        • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday January 26 2018, @08:12AM

          by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Friday January 26 2018, @08:12AM (#628145) Journal

          You know, just like citizens aren't a monolithic group, neither are corps or government agencies.

          No, they are competing with each other who is gonna take the control over who and what aspects of your life.

          . Your grouping of all them into the category of enemy blinds you to potential allies.

          You meant "potential protectors"? 'Cause that's what you call an ally with more power than you.

          It was the actions of some corps and the governments of other states that made Mike Pence back down on discriminating against trans people in Indiana as well as the legislatures in North Carolina and Texas.

          Sure, opportunistic and temporary collaboration with well defined outcomes is possible - doesn't even needs to be dishonest.
          Get into a long term coalition with them and you are toast.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 27 2018, @07:06AM (4 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 27 2018, @07:06AM (#628743)

        Not only you can, you must do it if you want to be successful.

        Well, you can ignore it, but it doesn't mean that others will. What evidence do you have that censorship and suppression will actually get rid of the Bad Guys?

        If you want to do something that matters in this regard, your (and others) time and resources are better spent in making the world around you just a little bit better everyday - in other words, make that dead wood he wants to burn a fertile/productive tree.

        I see upholding the principle of freedom of speech as making the world a better place.

        • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Saturday January 27 2018, @07:26AM (3 children)

          by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Saturday January 27 2018, @07:26AM (#628746) Journal

          What evidence do you have that censorship and suppression will actually get rid of the Bad Guys?

          You don't censor them, I never said that.
          I simply said "don't feed a troll" - his right of free speech does not in anyway imply my obligation to listen, much less to reply.
          If I consider the best reaction is to ignore him and use the time in a more productive or relaxing way, I'm not infringing his right of free speech.
          I'm saying "doing anything else is a better use of time and energy than feeding a troll, you aren't going to win because there's nothing to win from a troll".

          There, revisit this [soylentnews.org] and read again:

          [the solution] - does not involve put[ting] a fist into troll's mouth

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          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
          • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday January 27 2018, @11:37AM (2 children)

            by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Saturday January 27 2018, @11:37AM (#628806) Homepage Journal

            If I consider the best reaction is to ignore him and use the time in a more productive or relaxing way, I'm not infringing his right of free speech.

            Right, but when have you ever done that? You like giving people shit as much as I do.

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            My rights don't end where your fear begins.
            • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Saturday January 27 2018, @12:13PM (1 child)

              by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Saturday January 27 2018, @12:13PM (#628817) Journal

              Right, but when have you ever done that? You like giving people shit as much as I do.

              People, yes. But I have big troubles putting Milo in the "people" category, I simply can't.

              And I do challenge you to find any of my comments mentioning Milo other than the ones in the current story (even here, he's rather generically referred as one of the trolls).

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