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A couple days back, Newsweek reports:
Feminist activists on Sunday are planning to commemorate last year's Women's March, the response to the election of President Donald Trump that was widely regarded as the biggest demonstration in U.S. history.
As they do so, the so-called alt-right—an anti-immigrant, anti-Semitic movement that has struggled to recruit women—is aiming to co-opt this political moment with a series of stunts, including spreading propaganda and a counterdemonstration in Knoxville, Tennessee. This targeting of a feminist event is part of an ongoing pattern of misogynistic behavior in the movement, according to activists and a rights group that spoke to Newsweek.
[...] Trolls from 4chan, an imageboard website that is popular with the alt-right, are planning to post signs at women's studies departments on college campuses Sunday with the hashtag #mybordermychoice, a deliberate perversion of the abortion-rights slogan "my body my choice," according to a series of posts on the site and research conducted by antifascist activists.
[...] Lecia Brooks of the Southern Poverty Law Center, a rights group, told Newsweek that Heimbach [Leader of the Traditionalist Workers' Party] is "no defender of women," referring to altercations involving the opposite sex he has had at demonstrations.
Heimbach replied to that notion by saying legal abortion and illegal immigration were victimizing the unborn and women, and that "women have had their femininity put under attack by a culture that treats them as either sex objects or as mere economic cogs in the capitalist system." Heimbach is a critic of the capitalist system while also being a critic of socialism, and views a "national socialism" system that includes only white non-Jews as an alternative to both. He said the policies of his group were structured to "empower women to their God given honorable place as true equals to men in society through their unique role as mothers and wives." To be clear, he is an ardent critic of contemporary feminism.
Message received, very clear.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 27 2018, @03:36AM (22 children)
Why did this story get approved?
It's essentially a straw man. Oh no, there is a Nazi behind every corner! All sorts of unrelated political views get lumped together and slapped with the "Nazi" label to make sure nobody dares to consider any of the many different political views.
Meanwhile, what is actually happening in the world? Women in Iran are protesting against head coverings, and we hear not a peep from the left. Trump visits Saudi Arabia, and soon afterward the kingdom decides to let women drive. Trump has lots of women working for him. We now have the lowest female unemployment in 18 years.
Last year's march was organized by a sharia supporter. You can support rights for women or you can support sharia. You can't honestly do both.
There is another march, a really huge one, that happens about the same time every year. It never gets any news coverage. Last year, the VP spoke at it. This year, Trump spoke via video link. Unlike the woman's march, which left trash everywhere, this one keeps things clean. Guessed it yet? It's the March for Life. Lots of women were there.
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 27 2018, @03:43AM
Stop right there, I'll give your rancid hole some cockpoles! What! What is this! Impossible! Improbable! It can't be! My diseased cockpoles and your parasite-ridden feces are mixing together and becoming an elixir heard about only in legends! Such a fuckin' thing! Get pregnant, you sow!
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Ethanol-fueled on Saturday January 27 2018, @04:12AM (2 children)
Peak America shitposting time.
Well, we don't hate our women, but those pink pussy hats are pure Jew subversion. Good thing they so readily identify themselves as another gang of Soros' useful idiots. Prius drivers, all.
The United States of America will never fall. We were born from trolling [wikipedia.org] and culturally-appropriated shitposting. [wikipedia.org]
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 27 2018, @04:18AM (1 child)
More like someone finding a market of idiots who would buy pink kitty hats nobody would otherwise buy.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Ethanol-fueled on Saturday January 27 2018, @04:34AM
Ya gotta hand it to those Jews. Man, if I could afford one again, I'd be filthy rich from lawsuits. Especially when it is found that Eric Schmidt was a Jewish plant.
Here's how we operated. I had accidentally knocked up a Gook in Los Angeles and was forced to swear a blood-oath to her family. My friend Schlomo, Jr. is friends with a Black man with a clean criminal record. All these people live in Los Angeles. Schlomo, Sr. is a high-powered Jewish lawyer. Schlomo, Sr. lets Schlomo, Jr.'s Black friend drive the expensive Mercedes around town for no apparent reason.
The cop lights up the Black man in the Schlomo Mercedes because a Black man with an afro isn't exactly a "Schlomo Goldstein" type.
Black man complies, Schlomo sues the city on behalf of the disenfranchised Black man for tens of thousands of dollars a pop and keeps on groovin'.
(Score: 5, Informative) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday January 27 2018, @04:12AM (5 children)
You missed that black unemployment is the lowest it's been since they first started measuring it.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 27 2018, @04:21AM
Jealousy. I see only jealousy in their eyes. Such an ugly emotion. Such ugly creatures. I found this. It's mine. Get away. I found this hunk of feces. More people continue to surround me as I rape the hunk of feces I found on the sidewalk. They wish they had found this exquisite specimen themselves, but it's mine now. I'm going to impregnate it. Some of them are calling others using their cellphones. They must be conspiring to take this fecal sow away from me. To take my prized possession. Evil! Unforgivable! I won't allow it! Motion shall become silence. Motion shall become silence. Motion shall become silence!
(Score: 2) by Pav on Monday January 29 2018, @07:05AM (3 children)
:) You're f***ing going there... Unemployment is never a problem when you lock up the unemployed people and make them work for free. In other countries we call that slavery.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday January 29 2018, @11:17AM (2 children)
We call it a valuable lesson that not having what you want is no excuse for being a criminal.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Pav on Tuesday January 30 2018, @12:52AM (1 child)
Perhaps Trumps wall will be to lock people in. Who cares so long as you can get your weed, cigarettes, and demonise the next rung down in prison society right?
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday January 30 2018, @02:34AM
Just so long as that little bitch three cells down has my laundry done on time.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by kurenai.tsubasa on Saturday January 27 2018, @04:29AM (2 children)
I've been looking for news sources lately. Which sources covered this?
Yes. I'm familiar with the type. More than you can imagine….
I believe a libertarian framework will help out here. A woman has the right to withdraw life support at any time from the being growing within her (and also the right to modify her reproductive cycle with medical treatment if she does not like the way it works out of the box). These are both 9th Amendment rights in my analysis, but the Supreme Court apparently doesn't believe in that amendment, so instead we get Roe v. Wade. Either way, I don't believe our favorite “violently imposed monopoly” in the USA has the power to compel a person to provide life support to another person.
I would recommend further research into artificial wombs. Even better! It would be ideal to advance the state of medical technology such that a womb can be grown from stem cells or harvested from a donor and implanted into a man. I believe there is already the capability to perform fully-capable womb transplants into womyn-born-womyn. Advance that technology a bit, and then you will be able to have all the white babies you want without needing a violently imposed monopoly to deny women fundamental rights.
Uh… just one thing. I'm pontificating within a libertarian context, so like hell I'm going to pay for your babies.
I'd also like to rebut TFS.
Oh fuck you, Heimbach. [ ] War is peace! [x] Freedom is slavery! [x] Ignorance is strength!
Also, I'd like to point one more thing out, because the nature of the AC's comment here raises an important point.
Well, Michael Edison Hayden of Newsweek, do you ever present criticism of feminism that isn't cartoonishly evil? World Socialist Web Site, while I'm not certain if I'm missing a hidden message without knowing a lot more about ICFI, has had continuing coverage of #MeToo with far more cogent criticisms. You want the public nice and conditioned that only evil people would ever oppose feminism, don't cha?
Makes this whole questionable business with #MeToo all the more suspicious. It'll be fun to see how some of the allegations that have been denied will pan out when the wrongful termination lawsuits begin….
(Score: 4, Informative) by bradley13 on Saturday January 27 2018, @06:05AM
Have the Iranian protests really not been reported in the US? They have been pretty constant for the past two months. Certain, the European media has covered them. Wikipedia keeps something of a list. [wikipedia.org]
The protests are not about women and head-scarves, or not only. They are really about the religious authoritarianism in the country, of which that is only one small part.
Everyone is somebody else's weirdo.
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Sunday January 28 2018, @03:39AM
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/11779/hijab-sharia-law-police [gatestoneinstitute.org]
A later report stated that this woman has since disappeared.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5297849/Iran-lawyer-raises-concern-missing-hijab-protester.html [dailymail.co.uk]
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 3, Informative) by c0lo on Saturday January 27 2018, @07:36AM
Every? Perhaps not, they do seem to prefer some corners and the story corner happens to be one of them.
I'd be happy to not be the case, but unfortunately this one is not fake news [soylentnews.org]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 27 2018, @08:37AM
Because it seems that this site got astroturfed over the last several months. It's rather unfortunate, really.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Saturday January 27 2018, @12:17PM (5 children)
Because we don't only print those stories that you like or which support your political leanings; other people have a different point of view. But you are doing the right thing. You are giving your views in the comments which is exactly what they are designed for. So, criticise the story content by all means, but that doesn't mean shooting the messenger.
You have obviously not been following the discussion on another thread [soylentnews.org] about how we allegedly 'censor' the left wing by not posting stories seen from their viewpoint. As long as stories meet the requirements of all submissions they are considered for publication. SN does not support any particular political party or stance, and you should see the content of the many stories that we reject if you think that this one is bad. However, the reporting for this story is from another source, appears to be accurate and factual, and can generate a decent discussion if the community wishes it so to do. Resorting to taking strong political positions and mud-slinging would not be what I am hoping to see here.
I will refrain from making my own views on this topic known. My job is to put the stories out there for the community to discuss.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday January 27 2018, @12:48PM (4 children)
I was wondering myself but from a newsworthiness to us standpoint. We normally wouldn't cover a women's march and we normally wouldn't cover a few wannabe Nazis douching it up. What makes the combination newsworthy? Not giving you shit here, just genuinely confused.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by janrinok on Saturday January 27 2018, @01:14PM (3 children)
Firstly, I think that there is very little in the political submissions that would have been covered by the 'interesting to us' umbrella. But since before the US elections many of the submissions were not 'of interest to us' but it was felt that they still should have place where they could be discussed. If the editors only posted stories that clearly fall under the older definition then we would have very few political stories at all.
Secondly, the events at Charlottesville changed the landscape somewhat, even to the extent that reporting on events in the US increased here in Europe and elsewhere. Now we have a possible documented warning that similar events might be about to take place again. If nothing happens then nothing (apart from a lot of hot air in the comments) is lost. But if something does happen then the whole world will want to know the whys and wherefores, particularly if there has been advance notification and the appropriate authorities appear to be caught with their trousers down again.
Thirdly, in some parts of Europe at least, this entire alt-right phenomenon in the US appears to be partly a product of the actions of Trump and his refusal to condemn those extremists because that might affect his voters. At Davos this week, Trump was forced to claim that he knew nothing about the background to the videos he retweeted that had originated from extreme right wing groups in Europe. As a US President many feel he shouldn't be tweeting such things from a position of ignorance, and such actions damage US standing in the world. If you want other nations to follow you, you have to act like a leader, not an ill-informed bully.
Finally, as I have already stated elsewhere, it is not SN's job to decide which political party it wants to support. It is, and should remain, entirely neutral in this regard. Whether I like the message or not is actually irrelevant - I have to serve the community honestly and impartially. This is the price of having a political nexus, and we have to live with the discussions and strong views of our community that result from it.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday January 27 2018, @02:14PM
1,2) Fair nuff.
3) Not actually true. He just also condemned some violent leftists in the same breath. This cheesed a lot of people off but one doesn't negate the other.
4) Absolutely. I don't have a beef with covering anything that makes it over the high relevance/import bar we like to set for political news round these parts. I'm just saying let's keep the bar high.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 27 2018, @03:54PM
Political discussion moving online and free speech were always of 'interest to us' back on the green site. Before the dark times, before Facebook.
I'm not sure any of us could have predicted 2016 as recently as 2014. The last 10 years saw little new in tech while the server space fragmented into clouds and silly "frameworks". The Meltdown / Spectre stories here were perhaps the best commented since the last systemd story. The increase in politics is (I propose) due in part to the necessity of discussion as a response to polarising mainstream narratives.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 27 2018, @05:16PM
congrats. you just regurgitated a bunch of BS propaganda.
(Score: 3, Offtopic) by sigterm on Sunday January 28 2018, @01:56AM
>Why did this story get approved?
>It's essentially a straw man.
Indeed. Let's see here:
>Feminist activists on Sunday are planning to commemorate last year's Women's March,
>the response to the election of President Donald Trump that was widely regarded as
>the biggest demonstration in U.S. history.
Oh yes, I remember now: the march led by one Ms. Linda Sarsour, a well-known islamist, sharia apologist and anti-semite, reviled by muslims and non-muslims alike. The same Linda Sarsour who tweeted that she'd like to confiscate the genitals of women such as Ayaan Hirshi Ali, since she dares to criticize political islam.
>As they do so, the so-called alt-right—an anti-immigrant, anti-Semitic movement that
>has struggled to recruit women—
You can call the alt-right anti-immigration and be mostly correct, but anti-semitic? Sure, there are race realists and anti-semites among the alt-right, but there are plenty of others too. But we don't want to acknowledge that, since that would prevent us from tarring them all with the same brush. Can't have that now, can we?
>Trolls from 4chan, an imageboard website that is popular with the alt-right, are planning
...something ominous, surely, since the messageboard is "is popular with the alt-right", which we've already equated with Nazis. And surely, some people were observed drinking coffee and eating burgers, both well-documented as being popular within the alt-right. We are clearly being overrun by fascists!
>according to a series of posts on the site and research conducted by antifascist activists.
Really? I'd really like to see this research and learn more about these activists. They wouldn't by any chance be associated with Antifa, an incredibly violent, Marxist terrorist organization? (And that's according to their own web page, except the "terrorist" part which is how the Dept. of Homeland Security classifies them.)
>Lecia Brooks of the Southern Poverty Law Center, a rights group,
An activist group that has been caught more than once falsifying facts to support claims of discrimination.
Sorry about the lack of links to the supporting evidence but surely, unless you've been living under a rock for the last 5 years, you should be able to identify all the above statements as statements of fact. And if not, Google is indeed your friend.