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posted by Fnord666 on Sunday January 28 2018, @09:07AM   Printer-friendly
from the keep-your-private-keys-offline dept.

There's a new contender for the largest theft of cryptocurrency ever:

A Japanese cryptocurrency exchange announced the theft Friday of $400 million in digital currency. Some estimates put the loss at the Coincheck exchange at over $520 million.

The stolen assets were stored in the cryptocurrency NEM, one of hundreds of digital currencies created in recent years. Bitcoin, the most well-known cryptocurrency, dropped precipitously on news of the hack but has since regained much of its value.

The incident could be one of the largest single losses of cryptocurrency ever, rivaling only the 2014 hack of online exchange Mt. Gox. Reports at the time put Mt. Gox's losses at over $400 million.

Coincheck says 500 million digital coins were lost. According to Cointelgraph, hackers stole the private key protecting access to Coincheck's accounts.

Does it matter that it was a $400 million theft if the value is going to collapse anyway?

Meanwhile, a stock trading app called Robinhood plans to allow users to buy and sell Bitcoin and Ethereum without any transaction fees.


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  • (Score: 2) by MostCynical on Sunday January 28 2018, @10:41AM (10 children)

    by MostCynical (2589) on Sunday January 28 2018, @10:41AM (#629395) Journal

    the exchange is refunding the money.
    Now.. how do you prove it is yours!

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jan/28/japan-cryptocurrency-exchange-coincheck-refund-stolen-nem [theguardian.com]

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  • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Sunday January 28 2018, @03:24PM (3 children)

    by FatPhil (863) <reversethis-{if.fdsa} {ta} {tnelyos-cp}> on Sunday January 28 2018, @03:24PM (#629471) Homepage
    And what have they done to the recipients of the stolen coins, who bought them cheap when they were hot? (See A/C's comment upthread about how ditching these as quickly as possible at any price was probably the best thing to do (as a Nash equilibrium)). If the powers that be have the ability to undo those transactions, then they can undo any transaction, and no transaction can be trusted. If they have the ability to force the stolen money out of your account, then no money is safe in your account. If they just have to simultaniously leave it in your hands and give it back to the original owners, then they've magicked new money out of thin air. All of these things are things that cryptos were supposed to prevent, or at least perceived problems with the current financial systems that the cryptos were supposed to help with.

    The Crypto Emperor yet again appears to have no clothes, but hodlers gotta hodl.
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    • (Score: 3, Informative) by maxwell demon on Sunday January 28 2018, @05:23PM (1 child)

      by maxwell demon (1608) on Sunday January 28 2018, @05:23PM (#629508) Journal

      If the powers that be have the ability to undo those transactions

      From the article linked from the post you replied to; emphasis by me:

      Coincheck said it would use its cash to reimburse about 46.3bn yen to the 260,000 people who lost their holdings of NEM, the world’s 10th-biggest cryptocurrency by market capitalisation.

      So, no reversal of transaction, nor magical creation of more; rather payment of non-crypto money.

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    • (Score: 2) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Monday January 29 2018, @02:46PM

      by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us (6553) on Monday January 29 2018, @02:46PM (#629812) Journal

      They can indeed undo any transaction. IF 51% of all active miners - however that it parsed by the mutually agreed upon rules of the network - agree that a transaction or transaction(s) should be erased from a blockchain, then it is. And then all subsequent transactions (receivers) either A) do not exist/are also rolled back and are likewise purged which screws the buyers, or B) are allowed to debase the system.

      The security of the process is that you must get agreement from over half of the blockchain creators to agree to take out a transaction which was firmed up by subsequent blocks. That's so easy to say, just like "if all the countries in the world would throw away their nukes we'd have a nuke-free world! That's so EASY!" And since every transaction since that also forms part of the hash that verifies the overall blockchain.... not sure what that does but it is interesting.

      This is still more reliable than your bank, which is one entity which can decide if you get to keep your money you have with them or not by the pushing of buttons.

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  • (Score: 2) by Bot on Sunday January 28 2018, @07:50PM

    by Bot (3902) on Sunday January 28 2018, @07:50PM (#629555) Journal

    it's a good idea actually. Those who have nothing to hide can get refunded. I guess baddies and those who dealt with them are SOL. Which is unfair to those dealing with baddies. Such is life.

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  • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Sunday January 28 2018, @10:12PM (4 children)

    by JoeMerchant (3937) on Sunday January 28 2018, @10:12PM (#629606)

    It's a lawsuit dodge: anybody with enough proof to give them trouble in court will be given their money back, probably in proportion with the solidity of that proof.

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    • (Score: 2) by MostCynical on Sunday January 28 2018, @10:30PM (3 children)

      by MostCynical (2589) on Sunday January 28 2018, @10:30PM (#629615) Journal

      Interestingly, while wikipedia calls it a cryptocurrency, NEM themselves don't suggest anything about the exchange is private, or anonymous.

      https://nem.io/ [nem.io]

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      • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Sunday January 28 2018, @11:00PM (2 children)

        by JoeMerchant (3937) on Sunday January 28 2018, @11:00PM (#629624)

        Cryptocurrency, at its root, can never be anonymous - otherwise you could double-spend it.

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        • (Score: 2) by MostCynical on Sunday January 28 2018, @11:14PM (1 child)

          by MostCynical (2589) on Sunday January 28 2018, @11:14PM (#629627) Journal

          Yes, but it nice, in a way, that these guys don't even pretend.

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          • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Sunday January 28 2018, @11:27PM

            by JoeMerchant (3937) on Sunday January 28 2018, @11:27PM (#629628)

            I think that crypto pretending to be anonymous went out of fashion within the last year... it's only very recently that I've seen any mainstream media articles that don't call it "anonymous."

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