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posted by janrinok on Monday January 29 2018, @03:54AM   Printer-friendly
from the fetches-popcorn dept.

Short sellers are in Nirvana with these creatures that had surged by hundreds or even thousands of percent in days after they announced a switch to "blockchain" in their business model or added "Blockchain" to their name. Their shares are now crashing.

I have written about a number of these outfits and their crazy share-price moves and their silly stock manipulation schemes on the way up. Now, not much later, here's an update on how they're doing on the way down.

This is a true gem. On January 9, the SEC halted trading in UBIA shares, citing two reasons: "accuracy" in UBI's disclosures and very funny trading activity. This froze the share price at $22. The trading halt came 11 days after I'd lambasted the shenanigans by the company and its executives. On Tuesday (January 23), shares trading resumed – and have since plunged to $8.25.

What caused the surge was the December 15 announcement – a mix of gobbledygook, hype, and silliness, as I called it – that it had acquired a "Blockchain-empowered solutions provider," etc. etc. What was not in the announcement was that the acquired "assets" belonged to a Singapore corporation that is 95% owned by Longfin's CEO and chairman. This was disclosed in the SEC filings, but no one betting on this crazy stuff reads SEC filings.

[...] For speculators that were able to get into and out of these scams in time, it worked. A 1,000% gain obtained in a few days by hook or crook is nothing to sneeze at. But it's ending in tears for those who got into these scams too late and whose despised fiat currency just ended up providing the exit grease for early speculators. And short sellers, the lucky ones that got the timing right, are laughing all the way to the hated legacy banks.

But not all will get the timing right. Short sellers, when they want to take profits, have to buy their shares back in order to cover their short position, and many of the stocks are thinly traded, and covering a big short position can cause shares to bounce violently. So there will be some serious snap-backs, which might take the fun out of shorting these stocks.


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  • (Score: 2) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Monday January 29 2018, @05:27AM (7 children)

    by MichaelDavidCrawford (2339) Subscriber Badge <mdcrawford@gmail.com> on Monday January 29 2018, @05:27AM (#629707) Homepage Journal

    My much older and wiser friend asked me if I'd done any research or whether I just trusted them.

    "I just trusted them. See, they have a very professional website."

    I at first made bank on NAGA but then I bought it all back after its price dropped back down. I've gotten my comeuppance: it continued to go down and has stayed that way.

    So far I'm still ahead a couple grand. I've been homeless, I'd be OK if I lost it all. While it would be a huge Pain In The Ass it really wouldn't get me down.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 29 2018, @12:23PM (5 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 29 2018, @12:23PM (#629793)

    There is investment and there is speculation. The latter is gambling, the former is long-term money saving. If you have money to spare do speculate if you wish. If you are fed by others (directly and indirectly) please consider to act responsibly with your money. Save as much as you can but please do not throw it away like this.

    • (Score: 1) by anubi on Monday January 29 2018, @01:25PM (4 children)

      by anubi (2828) on Monday January 29 2018, @01:25PM (#629796) Journal

      Admit I got bit investing in oil&gas back in the 2007 timeframe ( peak-oil ).

      I thought to the very best of my experience working in the field, working with geologists, had and read "Twilight in the Desert" by Matthew Simmons, and even had the President of the United States warning the public about the impending crisis [theglobalist.com]...

      I was afraid to invest in gold, much less bitcoin, as I felt they were just as fiat as the USDollar. But fuel.... well, people will pay whatever it takes for that stuff. A gallon of water may be worth $1 in a store, but catch a 1%'er in the desert who needs it badly, and you could easily get a million dollars for it. I knew good and well how much a kilowatt hour of electricity peaked at during Gray Davis' / ENRON artificially created electrical energy shortage, and had a good clue as to what to expect. I knew the electrical energy shortage was bogus, created in Sacramento, by shake of hand and signature of pen between our elected politicians and the 1%ers standing to profit from the shortage.

      But I had all indications that the peak oil thingie was real... and I also know that a helluva lotta oil goes into manufacturing plastics and fertilizers, so even if we got off of fossil fuels, it was still gonna take us a lot of time to wean ourselves off of oil. I could see where Matt Simmons was pointing out where all of our old oil fields were beginning to water out, and we had already found most of the big puddles of easy oil. I did not think Fracking would get us much rather than massaging the earth for a fart here and there - and an awful lot of pollution and water contamination to do it.

      I figured oil was much more precious than even land, as we still have lots of arable land and agricultural advancements to prolong our food supplies, but if we did not have the mechanical energy to turn the shafts of our machinery, well I know I flat am not strong enough to turn those shafts. Those shafts stop... we die. Gold? I'd give someone a fine tool in exchange for some diesel fuel a helluva lot faster than I would surrender it for gold coin. I'd just as soon own a Ferrari out in the middle of the Congo - I'd bet on having the horse.

      So, I bought the Peak Oil story, hook, line, sinker, boat, fisherman, motor, and tackle box.

      I thought I was being extremely prudent.

      If there is one thing I learned from the whole thing... I researched experts in the field [theoildrum.com]... geologists... Warren Buffet [youtube.com]... I have worked in this field, right alongside geologists which were observing the same thing, and even the President of the United States, one can be deluded into thinking these guys are telling the truth! Well, maybe they were just as deluded as I am. I know, having engineering training, that if I am crossing the desert, I am probably far more concerned with my fuel gauge than my speedometer.

      I lost a lot of my retirement savings on this, thinking the USDollar was gonna crash because all we had backing THAT up was a bunch of banker's agreements about how much to inject, whereas there was just so much oil out there, and as we depleted it, the remaining amount had nowhere to go but up. I felt it was irresponsible of me to try to use such a fiat currency, even the USD, as a storage container for my retirement savings.

      --
      "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." [KJV: I Thessalonians 5:21]
      • (Score: 1) by shrewdsheep on Monday January 29 2018, @01:52PM (1 child)

        by shrewdsheep (5215) on Monday January 29 2018, @01:52PM (#629799)

        You acted responsibly, except for one thing: you did not spread the risk.

        • (Score: 1) by anubi on Tuesday January 30 2018, @04:17AM

          by anubi (2828) on Tuesday January 30 2018, @04:17AM (#630181) Journal

          I thought the risk was in keeping my resources denominated in something that could be printed in infinite quantity.

          Or in putting my resources into anything that had no intrinsic worth.

          I would rather own rhenium than gold, because rhenium is also in short supply, and is required for exotic defense systems.

          Somehow, I can't get on board with the idea that gold has much value other than what other people think its worth, because in and of itself, it has few uses other than anticorrosive plating. And we already have in vaults orders of magnitude more of the stuff than we need.

          I could live the rest of my life without ever seeing gold again... however I would notice a day without oil within minutes. If anything that van has taught me, its how much energy is in a gallon of fuel. I can't even push that thing with my own means.

          --
          "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." [KJV: I Thessalonians 5:21]
      • (Score: 2) by pdfernhout on Tuesday January 30 2018, @01:49AM (1 child)

        by pdfernhout (5984) on Tuesday January 30 2018, @01:49AM (#630138) Homepage

        I spent (or lost?) a bunch of time circa 2009 or so struggling against the tidal wave of Peak Oil hysteria and other gloomsterism. Sorry I could not help you.

        One example:
        https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/postscarcity/kT-s_5w8_qs [google.com]
        "Basically, it is a rough calculation that in about fifteen years, just four of the top British newspapers print enough surface area that they could power the entire world if they were printing Nanosolar PV panels instead of articles about how we are all doomed from Peak Oil. :-)"

        And another:
        https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/backups/p2p_research-archives/2009-August/004123.html [p2pfoundation.net]
        "I'm forwarding something I wrote privately in response to someone who cites William Catton about human dieoffs (from a different conversation than p2p); this is partially in response to Michel's point on many people panicking
        about resource issues. I'll concede we may be doomed from panic or speculators. But, that has nothing to do with any underlying physical problems."

        tl;dr -- we have lots of ongoing political and ideological problems that may well doom us like from nuclear war, bioengineered plagues, killer robots, or mean AI -- but no serious resource problems if we cooperated.

        Ironically, the usual justification for using our abundance of advanced technologies to create the nukes, plagues, drones, and artificial meanness which could create artificial scarcity out of our abundance at the touch of a button is essentially always, at the root cause, the erroneous meme that there is not enough to (reasonably fairly) go around.

        See also: "Wealth Inequality in America" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPKKQnijnsM [youtube.com]

        --
        The biggest challenge of the 21st century: the irony of technologies of abundance used by scarcity-minded people.
        • (Score: 2, Insightful) by anubi on Tuesday January 30 2018, @03:36AM

          by anubi (2828) on Tuesday January 30 2018, @03:36AM (#630164) Journal

          Yeh.... I had read Jared Diamond's "Collapse" book, and my understanding of history seems like civilizations rise and fall like an oscillator...

          I felt the first derivative was already into the negative region.

          I was quite pessimistic. Its not the underlying physical plant that has me so concerned, rather, like all the civilizations that I have studied before me, its the control layer. Civilizations start out with many poor people toiling - and they start building infrastructure - but its not long before an "elite" emerge, and soon very few people are actually doing work, while the "elite" perform the same service a tick does to a dog. Basically, they tax it and suck it dry.

          Their redeeming quality is they have the social skills to team with other ticks ( members of Government ), to have their wishlists codified into law to keep the "little people" out of their ballpark. Like interpretations of patent and copyright.

          The dog eventually dies - then the ticks have nothing to tax, no-one to do the work, no more dogblood, and they die - then the cycle restarts.

          Already, in the USA, I am seeing firsthand how little a craftsperson is worth, compared to someone who works in the permission-granting layers.

          I live not far from a riverbed full of people, some of whom I have had some interesting conversations. Some of these people seem to be quite intelligent, but completely stripped of resources to do anything. ( Admittedly, I use the word "some", because "most" seem wrapped up in drugs and intoxicants, completely mentally burned out, and are about as useful as a tick on a dog. )

          I honestly thought the dog was gonna die during the last "recession".

          Thanks for the links... interesting reading!

          --
          "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." [KJV: I Thessalonians 5:21]
  • (Score: 2) by Wootery on Tuesday January 30 2018, @03:00PM

    by Wootery (2341) on Tuesday January 30 2018, @03:00PM (#630378)

    I've been homeless, I'd be OK if I lost it all. While it would be a huge Pain In The Ass it really wouldn't get me down.

    I don't understand this position at all. Does your religion prevent you from diversifying your investments?