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posted by Fnord666 on Monday January 29 2018, @02:46PM   Printer-friendly
from the Quis-custodiet-ipsos-custodes? dept.

Arthur T Knackerbracket has found the following story:

Hackers from the Dutch intelligence service AIVD have provided the FBI with crucial information about Russian interference with the American elections. For years, AIVD had access to the infamous Russian hacker group Cozy Bear. That's what de Volkskrant and Nieuwsuur have uncovered in their investigation.

It's the summer of 2014. A hacker from the Dutch intelligence agency AIVD has penetrated the computer network of a university building next to the Red Square in Moscow, oblivious to the implications. One year later, from the AIVD headquarters in Zoetermeer, he and his colleagues witness Russian hackers launching an attack on the Democratic Party in the United States. The AIVD hackers had not infiltrated just any building; they were in the computer network of the infamous Russian hacker group Cozy Bear. And unbeknownst to the Russians, they could see everything.

That's how the AIVD becomes witness to the Russian hackers harassing and penetrating the leaders of the Democratic Party, transferring thousands of emails and documents. It won't be the last time they alert their American counterparts. And yet, it will be months before the United States realize what this warning means: that with these hacks the Russians have interfered with the American elections. And the AIVD hackers have seen it happening before their very eyes.

The Dutch access provides crucial evidence of the Russian involvement in the hacking of the Democratic Party, according to six American and Dutch sources who are familiar with the material, but wish to remain anonymous. It's also grounds for the FBI to start an investigation into the influence of the Russian interference on the election race between the Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton and the Republican candidate Donald Trump.

Translated by: Lisa Negrijn

It's quite an interesting read.


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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 29 2018, @03:16PM (23 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 29 2018, @03:16PM (#629828)

    Hear, hear! The truth does not become a danger to our democracy, even if it's our geopolitical opponents that let the secrets out.

  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 29 2018, @05:40PM (22 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 29 2018, @05:40PM (#629903)

    Except if The Donald doesn't like the truth. In that case it's called fake news spread by the unreliable media.

    • (Score: 0, Flamebait) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday January 29 2018, @06:15PM (14 children)

      by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Monday January 29 2018, @06:15PM (#629915) Homepage Journal

      I'm curious. Why would anyone bother to virtue signal as an AC?

      I mean, it has to be virtue signaling because it can't be meant as a joke. Jokes are meant to be funny and, since most of the nation do not suffer from Trump Derangement Syndrome, it's not.

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      My rights don't end where your fear begins.
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 29 2018, @06:28PM (4 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 29 2018, @06:28PM (#629922)

        Maybe because not not all people are attention whores like Trump obviously is?

        Just guessing... Different ACs will have have different opinions & reasons.

        • (Score: 3, Touché) by fustakrakich on Monday January 29 2018, @06:47PM (3 children)

          by fustakrakich (6150) on Monday January 29 2018, @06:47PM (#629942) Journal

          Maybe because not not all people are attention whores like Trump obviously is?

          Oh please! What does that have to do with the price of rice?? Who is making you give Trump any of your attention?? What, is the channel knob broken? Well, maybe you should give it a little polish...

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          La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 29 2018, @07:58PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 29 2018, @07:58PM (#629993)

            If a comment has 40% validity and 60% stupidity will you be unable to hear the criticism of the 60% due to your ego attaching itself to the 40%?

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 30 2018, @01:26AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 30 2018, @01:26AM (#630133)

            What, is the channel knob broken?

            What is this "channel knob" of which you speak, and what is it used for?

            "Trump the Loser Precedent"

      • (Score: 2, Insightful) by khallow on Monday January 29 2018, @06:35PM (3 children)

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday January 29 2018, @06:35PM (#629926) Journal
        Even when nobody reads the post, you always have yourself as audience.
        • (Score: 2, Funny) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday January 29 2018, @10:03PM (2 children)

          by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Monday January 29 2018, @10:03PM (#630054) Homepage Journal

          That's a really good point. I completely neglected to take into account the fact that Trump Derangement Syndrome almost exclusively afflicts those already suffering from severe narcissism.

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          My rights don't end where your fear begins.
          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 30 2018, @06:17PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 30 2018, @06:17PM (#630507)

            Ooooh, ok. This explains why you hop in every trump bash-a-thon in a perverse type of defense and offense. "I think the guys is a total turd, but let me defend him for a while. Oh, and he did this thing over here which I prefer over crooked hillary!"

            Heh, your issues go deeeeeep.

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 29 2018, @06:45PM (4 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 29 2018, @06:45PM (#629939)

        I'm curious. Why would anyone bother to virtue signal as an AC?

        I mean, it has to be virtue signaling because it can't be meant as a joke. Jokes are meant to be funny and, since most of the nation do not suffer from Trump Derangement Syndrome, it's not.

        (Different AC)

        Or, it could be true, you know.

        It's gotten to the point where if Trump says "fake news," I automatically assume it is true. Typically if he has a real counterargument, he presents it, rather than acting like that annoying 2nd grader "I can't hear you, lalalalala."

        I'll admit that my rule-of-thumb is not 100% accurate, but if you were to list everything, I'm guessing it's about 75% accurate. Everything from "largest crowd ever, in a non-rainy inauguration" to the arguments between him and Congressional leaders behind closed doors. I'd challenge you to compile a list [mediamatters.org] and check for yourself [axios.com].

        Would you still call it Trump Derangement Syndrome when it is actually true?

        • (Score: 2, Informative) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday January 29 2018, @09:38PM

          by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Monday January 29 2018, @09:38PM (#630040) Journal

          He will, because he's deranged :) And I am being dead serious here: projection, hypocrisy, willful ignorance, and utter amorality are the tools of the trade for anyone who wishes to retain the kind of worldview he does.

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        • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday January 29 2018, @09:43PM (2 children)

          by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Monday January 29 2018, @09:43PM (#630042) Homepage Journal

          Or, it could be true, you know.

          Which would make saying so redundant, what with it being said every tenth breath by anyone who does have Trump Derangement Syndrome.

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          My rights don't end where your fear begins.
          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 30 2018, @06:23PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 30 2018, @06:23PM (#630511)

            And the point of your comment is...?

            Oh right, no point. You're just a trump sucking cock lover with a serious case of closet mothballs.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 29 2018, @07:03PM (6 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 29 2018, @07:03PM (#629962)

      The thing is that The Donald just so happens to be right, just not for the reasons he thinks he's right. He doesn't go far enough either. It's mostly the stopped watch effect.

      After watching the press over the past year push for World War 3, I came to the conclusion that it's all fake news. I believe we used to call it "propaganda" before everything had to be brought to a 3rd grade reading level. (Remember when we had more than just "bad guys?") The press is consistently focusing on tempests in teapots instead of issues that matter, such as 52% of white women who voted for Trump, such as the suicidal choices the DNC has made against its progressive base since November 2016 that will almost certainly hand the R team a huge victory this November (which is necessary to get World War 3 started).

      That movie, The Post, is an excellent and timely propaganda piece meant to make us think that the news media of today is the same as the news media of the 70s.

      Remember, #pizzagate happened, and we were all told that we had to clamp down on "fake news" because some idiot (who was likely a CIA plant anyway) took a "loli haet pizza" meme seriously. We were told that InfoWars and Breitbart were what "fake news" looked like. What we weren't told by the mainstream was that what fake news really looks like is progressive news sources such as World Socialist Web Site, CounterPunch, Black Agenda Report, Consortiumnews, MintPress News, etc.

      Why are these news source "fake news?" Because if you start reading them, you'll start to question why we need World War 3 and why the USA is becoming a 3rd world country.

      • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 29 2018, @08:04PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 29 2018, @08:04PM (#629995)

        lolololol

        That has to be the best explanation as to why the infowars/breitbarters are such die hard morons. Please note that I am not saying your list of liberal sites is wrong, there is undoubtedly some fake shit rolling through there as well.

        But god DAMN!

        "Why are these news source "fake news?" Because if you start reading them, you'll start to question why we need World War 3 and why the USA is becoming a 3rd world country."

        Sell someone a line that THEY are the chosen few who see the TRUTH and you have the start of a great cult following. You have been suckered, you are in a cult being played for chumps.

      • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday January 29 2018, @09:55PM (4 children)

        by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Monday January 29 2018, @09:55PM (#630053) Homepage Journal

        You seem to be confused about who was poking a bear and who's currently poking a small dog.

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        My rights don't end where your fear begins.
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 30 2018, @04:25AM (3 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 30 2018, @04:25AM (#630185)

          The only sides here are the elites and the rest of us.