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An Anonymous Coward writes:
The German government has denounced experiments funded by German carmakers in which humans and monkeys reportedly inhaled diesel exhaust fumes.
On Thursday The New York Times reported that the EUGT research was designed to counter a 2012 decision by the World Health Organization to classify diesel exhaust as a carcinogen.
It said that in 2014, EUGT had exposed 10 monkeys to fumes - in an air-tight chamber - from several cars, including a diesel VW Beetle. The testing took place at a lab in Albuquerque, New Mexico.
Then at the weekend Germany's Stuttgarter Zeitung and SWR radio reported that 19 men and six women had inhaled diesel fumes in another EUGT experiment.
During a month of tests at a lab in Aachen, west Germany, they were exposed to various concentrations of diesel fumes, which contain toxic nitrogen oxides (NOx). The BBC has not seen the study itself, but German media say it was published in 2016.
At the time the carmakers were arguing that modern technology had cut pollution from diesel engines to safe levels. But VW was later found to have fitted "cheat" devices that rigged the emissions data.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-42858668
(Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 30 2018, @04:23PM (6 children)
Don't come here with your bleedin' heart crying about the poor little monkeys and tar babies. If you don't like it, don't buy a German car. That's how the system works! Trust in your free markets. It's like when you're flying in the clouds. You have to trust your instruments, or you will die. It's too damn simple, people!
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday January 30 2018, @05:12PM (4 children)
Better to just pretend there's no problem and experiment on a few hundred million people instead, right? This is a typical propaganda attack that we've seen over and over again. A business looks into a health or environmental concern of their products. The mere existence of this research is used against the business in propaganda attacks. But that's not the only angle of attack:
So they're saying the research would have been ethical, if it was sponsored by someone else.
(Score: 2) by Whoever on Tuesday January 30 2018, @05:20PM (1 child)
Your argument might have more weight if VW hadn't deliberately cheated on emissions tests.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday January 30 2018, @05:44PM
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 30 2018, @05:36PM (1 child)
"Ethics" in business is lipstick on a pig. The problem is as old as the hills. People will never outgrow doing what that can get away with. It doesn't matter whether it's stealing paperclips or poisoning millions. The idea is wired in. There are no "ethics" in the boardroom. There is only the singular focus... When you think like them, you will understand them. Then you can use their own tools against them. You gotta play their game their way, or you will always lose.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday January 30 2018, @05:55PM
(Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 30 2018, @05:17PM
"Flamebait"? Why? What is wrong with the above post? When TMB says it, it goes +5 immediately. Is it all about "presentation" or "style"? That's what is seems. I relayed exactly the same message as any great capitalist does every day as part of his routine. And yet, you don't want to hear about it. You people have serious psychological problems.