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posted by martyb on Wednesday January 31 2018, @11:26PM   Printer-friendly
from the Go-Fish! dept.

Prof. David Ma has discovered that marine-based omega-3s are eight times more effective at inhibiting tumour development and growth.

"This study is the first to compare the cancer-fighting potency of plant- versus marine-derived omega-3s on breast tumour development," said the professor in the Department of Human Health and Nutritional Sciences. "There is evidence that both omega-3s from plants and marine sources are protective against cancer and we wanted to determine which form is more effective."

[...] Published in the Journal of Nutritional Biochemistry, the study involved feeding the different types of omega-3s to mice with a highly aggressive form of human breast cancer called HER-2. HER-2 affects 25per cent of women and has a poor prognosis.

[...] Ma found overall exposure to marine-based omega-3s reduced the size of the tumours by 60 to 70 per cent and the number of tumours by 30 per cent.

However, higher doses of the plant-based fatty acid were required to deliver the same impact as the marine-based omega-3s.

Source: https://news.uoguelph.ca/2018/01/choose-omega-3s-fish-flax-cancer-prevention-study-finds/

Journal Reference: Jiajie Liu, Salma A. Abdelmagid, Christopher J. Pinelli, Jennifer M. Monk, Danyelle M. Liddle, Lyn M. Hillyer, Barbora Hucik, Anjali Silva, Sanjeena Subedi, Geoffrey A. Wood, Lindsay E. Robinson, William J. Muller, David W.L. Ma. Marine fish oil is more potent than plant based n-3 polyunsaturated fatty acids in the prevention of mammary tumours. The Journal of Nutritional Biochemistry, 2017; DOI: 10.1016/j.jnutbio.2017.12.011


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  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 01 2018, @12:32AM (15 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 01 2018, @12:32AM (#631274)

    These dietary/nutrion "medical news" are no better than the traditional herbal medicine, probably worse - a few years later, a few decades later, they would have a complete opposite "findings" - at least the traditional medicine stay consistent.

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  • (Score: 3, Informative) by Hartree on Thursday February 01 2018, @01:01AM (1 child)

    by Hartree (195) on Thursday February 01 2018, @01:01AM (#631281)

    I mostly agree, but it's a handy excuse for eating fish sandwiches (which I like regardless of health benefits. ;) ).

    • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 01 2018, @01:18AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 01 2018, @01:18AM (#631284)

      Catfish porboys are great. Mackarel sandwich at Istanbul is great. Hell, even McFish is pretty good. You don't need no excuse for fish sandwich.

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by stormwyrm on Thursday February 01 2018, @01:51AM (3 children)

    by stormwyrm (717) on Thursday February 01 2018, @01:51AM (#631289) Journal

    Speaks more to the miserable state of scientific/medical journalism than to any defects in actual science. Often enough when you see the actual medical journal article that is transformed into a puff piece by the popular press there's loads of caveats and maybes and hedges that tentatively reach for a conclusion that is puffed into some kind of ridiculously conclusive panacea by the popular press. And then later another paper gets published in refutation of those findings, and the cycle continues. This is what a true scientific controversy looks like: the data and experiments have not yet converged into some form of consensus on what is most likely true, and you'll see research arguing a hypothesis one way and then another, and it's usually only after several years that the scientific community sees that the most reliable and best supported research shows that the facts point to things being a certain way. Trouble is this process tends to take a long time, generally years, and by the time that the scientific community has done enough research to come to that kind of consensus (it has to be emphasised that this is a consensus of scientific research results, not of scientists!) the popular press has mostly forgotten. For example, the original paper [sciencedirect.com] from the article states in the abstract that it's based on an animal model using mice. To go from an animal model to human physiology is a long way indeed.

    The objective of this study was to examine the effect of lifelong exposure to plant- or marine-derived n-3 PUFA on pubertal mammary gland and tumor development in MMTV-neu(ndl)-YD5 mice.

    (emphasis added)

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 01 2018, @02:08AM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 01 2018, @02:08AM (#631293)

      I agree, but shouldn't the science establishment try to stop this sensational nonsense? Instead, they (uni PR dept, researchers) encourage the outlandish claims so as to encourage further research funding. No wonder why we have so many skeptics who deem "science" is as corrupt as Vatican.

      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by stormwyrm on Thursday February 01 2018, @02:53AM

        by stormwyrm (717) on Thursday February 01 2018, @02:53AM (#631311) Journal
        Doing "science by press conference [wikipedia.org]" as it is derisively called is generally frowned upon by the scientific community, and in many cases it seems to happen not so much because the scientific researchers and/or their institutions want to encourage further funding, but perhaps more because some other group with a vested interest in the results of the research wants to influence public opinion to their purposes. In that vein I have to wonder if some manufacturers of Omega-3 supplements based on fish oils were partly responsible for this particular puff piece we have today.
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        Numquam ponenda est pluralitas sine necessitate.
    • (Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 01 2018, @02:37AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 01 2018, @02:37AM (#631303)

      It really is just a flawed method of drawing conclusions from data that nearly guarantees nothing of value is learned. Look up NHST controversy and youll find people complaining about it since the 1950s. Andrew Gelman has a pretty good blog that discusses it quite a bit.

  • (Score: 2) by beckett on Thursday February 01 2018, @09:54AM (8 children)

    by beckett (1115) on Thursday February 01 2018, @09:54AM (#631393)

    at least the traditional medicine stay consistent.

    Define "traditional medicine".

    Trepanation, heroin to treat children's coughs and colds, lobotomy, phrenology, female hysterical neurosis, seem to have fallen by the wayside, yet they were all considered to be mainstream, medical treatment in the past two hundred years.

    • (Score: 2) by mmcmonster on Thursday February 01 2018, @11:18AM (7 children)

      by mmcmonster (401) on Thursday February 01 2018, @11:18AM (#631422)

      Meh, I pray to the alter of science. That means modern medicine, even though it's not perfect and mistakes will be made at times. At least I know that it's the best that science has to offer _at this time_.

      ObXKCD: https://xkcd.com/836/ [xkcd.com]

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by beckett on Thursday February 01 2018, @11:25AM (5 children)

        by beckett (1115) on Thursday February 01 2018, @11:25AM (#631425)

        i think if we are deifying science, we run the risk of running into ideology. Scientists often fall into the trap of becoming attached to their own ideas, and the anathema of evidence based practice is the apotheosis of science into scientism.

          be careful what you worship, and which altar you pray to, even if it has the dressing of science.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 01 2018, @03:12PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 01 2018, @03:12PM (#631490)

          LOL! I always chuckle when people say "Don't trust science", yet are ignorantly blind that science gave them everything to live in this comfortable, wonderful, & easy modern world.

          • (Score: 2) by beckett on Thursday February 01 2018, @06:16PM

            by beckett (1115) on Thursday February 01 2018, @06:16PM (#631600)

            My first response was to an AC that mentioned their claim that they'll stick with "traditional medicine". my comments were directed to the fictional construct of "traditional medicine".

            My second response was directed to the poster that claimed they worship the alter(sic) of science". I pointed out the hazards of worshiping science as an ideology. i expressed no doubt in science; rather reinforcing the second responder's point that science is fallible. feel free to laugh, but it's likely you're caricaturizing my replies rather than wanting to engage with them.

        • (Score: 2) by stormwyrm on Thursday February 01 2018, @10:16PM (2 children)

          by stormwyrm (717) on Thursday February 01 2018, @10:16PM (#631726) Journal

          If scientists fall into the trap of becoming attached to their own ideas, despite strong evidence that points to those ideas being false, then they have, in as far as they do so, stopped doing science and stopped being scientists. Science works by testing theories against evidence, and goes where the evidence leads, and if they aren't doing evidence-based practice then what they are doing is not science, by definition.

          In science it often happens that scientists say, “You know that’s a really good argument; my position is mistaken,” and then they would actually change their minds and you never hear that old view from them again. They really do it. It doesn’t happen as often as it should, because scientists are human and change is sometimes painful. But it happens every day. I cannot recall the last time something like that happened in politics or religion. --Carl Sagan

          This is the true test of a scientist: ask them what it would take to make them change their minds about something. A scientist will be swayed by evidence and arguments from evidence. In contrast, nothing will sway an ideologue.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 01 2018, @11:20PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 01 2018, @11:20PM (#631754)

            You are being a bit naive. Scientists are people, too, with all the human frailties - ambition, career concern, economic concern, human relations, jealousy, etc.

            Bet on science (i.e., empirical verification), not scientists.

          • (Score: 2) by beckett on Thursday February 01 2018, @11:54PM

            by beckett (1115) on Thursday February 01 2018, @11:54PM (#631769)

            I agree with this - Scientists must be extremely comfortable when they are wrong, as it should happen continuously and on a daily basis. It's called "research" for a reason. Scientists should always be willing to throw out ideas when the data does not support them. As you point out, nothing sways the ideologue. When the previous poster suggested he "prays" to the "alter of science", i felt we crossed from data analysis and into ideology.

            I think, however, the AC's and the posters that are responding in this subthread actually all more-or-less agree, but the semantics of religious ideology seemed a bit over-the-top for me.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 01 2018, @09:24PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 01 2018, @09:24PM (#631703)

        People should still wait for clear scientific consensus before reaching a conclusion, however. One or even several studies are not enough.