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posted by mrpg on Saturday February 03 2018, @12:09PM   Printer-friendly
from the si-un-maya-se-desmaya-sigue-siendo-maya? dept.

'Game Changer': Maya Cities Unearthed In Guatemala Forest Using Lasers

By raining down laser pulses on some 770 square miles of dense forest in northern Guatemala, archaeologists have discovered 60,000 Maya structures that make up full sprawling cities.

And the new technology provides them with an unprecedented view into how the ancient civilization worked, revealing almost industrial agricultural infrastructure and new insights into Maya warfare.

"This is a game changer," says Thomas Garrison, an archaeologist at Ithaca College who is one of the leaders of the project. It changes "the base level at which we do Maya archaeology."

The data reveals that the area was three or four times more densely populated than originally thought. "I mean, we're talking about millions of people, conservatively," says Garrison. "Probably more than 10 million people."


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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 03 2018, @04:14PM (16 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 03 2018, @04:14PM (#632564)

    Others of us have consumed many resources on the subject, which bring forth very interesting questions; I invite you to look into the matter, if only for your own entertainment.

    Atlantis need not have been a civilization of glass coke bottles to have been a civilization of global influence and organization.

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Saturday February 03 2018, @04:42PM (3 children)

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday February 03 2018, @04:42PM (#632583) Journal

    So - Atlantis never discovered the coca plant? Or they didn't discover carbonated beverages? Obvious is obvious - any civilization is going to make and distribute beverages. Beer is the first stop for any civilization, immediately after fire and cooked foods. As soon as parents get tired of drunken toddlers falling into the fire, they invent soft drinks. Coca cola is inevitable. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIbEj1CIpuU [youtube.com]

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 03 2018, @05:56PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 03 2018, @05:56PM (#632614)

      Yet, even our modern Civilization's engineers (with their modern tools) become confused by what the ancient people achieved with massive, precision-cut stones.

      So, your argument doesn't really work, now does it? In some things we are more knowledgeable, while in others, they were more knowledgeable.

    • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 03 2018, @09:47PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 03 2018, @09:47PM (#632683)

      Yet we still don't know what was Soma [wikipedia.org]

  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday February 03 2018, @05:20PM (11 children)

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday February 03 2018, @05:20PM (#632605) Journal

    Atlantis need not have been a civilization of glass coke bottles to have been a civilization of global influence and organization.

    It's just the smart bet. How does one get "megalithic architecture" without the hand tools to make that architecture? How does one have a global civilization without any sort of common equipment (not to mention absence of common languages and culture)? The answer is, one doesn't. We've been digging up human stuff dating back several million years and we have a pretty good idea what people were using at any given time. There's no sign of "Atlantis" or the technology it would need in order to exist.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 03 2018, @05:47PM (10 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 03 2018, @05:47PM (#632610)

      There is ancient stonework that defies even our modern technology; we would not only struggle to lift many of these stones, but we find the exceptional craftsmanship difficult to reproduce even with computer-controlled diamond-based cutters.

      We have no idea how they did it, or who did it.
      This includes stonework [mis-]attributed to the ancient Egyptians, the Inca, the Romans, etc.

      YouTube it.

      • (Score: 2, Informative) by khallow on Saturday February 03 2018, @07:18PM (6 children)

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday February 03 2018, @07:18PM (#632637) Journal

        There is ancient stonework that defies even our modern technology

        Sorry, don't believe that.

        but we find the exceptional craftsmanship difficult to reproduce even with computer-controlled diamond-based cutters.

        In other words, we can do it just fine, it just takes some work to first figure out how to do it. One doesn't recreate centuries of lost stone-working knowledge overnight. This is basic engineering 101. When you start with a hard problem, break it up into a set of small problems that you can solve more easily. Not being able to perfectly emulate Incan stone-dressing and other ancient feats right off the bat isn't a big deal. It took them time to develop those skills and it would take us some time as well.

        This includes stonework [mis-]attributed to the ancient Egyptians, the Inca, the Romans, etc.

        Who else lives there? This leads to the biggest problem with the whole thing. No genetic commonalities between these regions. If you have a global civilization with that sort of exchange of knowledge, you have genetic exchange as well.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 03 2018, @08:54PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 03 2018, @08:54PM (#632661)

          What an ass. "I don't believe that". Good for you. *pat* *pat* *pat*

          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday February 04 2018, @04:17AM

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday February 04 2018, @04:17AM (#632786) Journal

            It doesn't matter what you believe.

            I agree. Evidence is what matters here. That's what deflates these sorts of theories.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 03 2018, @09:07PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 03 2018, @09:07PM (#632666)

          For instance, Amazon groups are linked with indigenous Australians [smithsonianmag.com]

          Perhaps you're also not aware that we don't even know exactly who the ancient Egyptians were; it has been a topic of debate. [wikipedia.org] Recent tests of mummies indicate connections with Middle Easterners and Europeans>/a>. [cnn.com]

          Look at you speaking with such smug confidence, when you clearly know jack shit! Ha! I love it!

          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday February 04 2018, @03:46AM

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday February 04 2018, @03:46AM (#632777) Journal
            And yet, still no genetic evidence to support the global civilization claim. I wasn't claiming that there wasn't some genetic movement and interaction. But your links show much less than you think. The South American example merely shows some common genetic source, maybe, between Australia aboriginals and some South American Amazon tribes. They can't even show that it happened before 1500 AD (though it is thought to be "fairly old"). Meanwhile, what exactly is supposed to be significant about a particular population of Egyptians having common genetic basis with nearby Europeans and Middle East populations? Not evidence of a global extent.

            The glaring thing missing here is a global genetic signal. If there was any sort of cultural, knowledge, or economic exchange at the global level, there should be gene groups manifesting at the global level. That's just how people operate. There is not.
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 03 2018, @09:32PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 03 2018, @09:32PM (#632677)

          The OP is correct. There is a decree of precision that is hard to explain. For one, it's not just a matter of decoration; it's a matter of serious engineering, though even some of the decorative work (particularly in very hard stones) is difficult to accept on the basis of what archaeologists tell us about the tools that were available to these "primitive" peoples.

          Also, work degrades with time; some of the best work is some of the very oldest. That suggests there is not a development in technology, but rather a legacy of technology.

          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday February 04 2018, @04:15AM

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday February 04 2018, @04:15AM (#632785) Journal

            There is a decree of precision that is hard to explain. For one, it's not just a matter of decoration; it's a matter of serious engineering, though even some of the decorative work (particularly in very hard stones) is difficult to accept on the basis of what archaeologists tell us about the tools that were available to these "primitive" peoples.

            What is hard to explain about it? There's over a millennium of stone-working history in the region and the Incas were particularly good engineers with a lot of other accomplishments to their name (such as the terrace agriculture and extensive road and bridge systems).

            some of the best work is some of the very oldest.

            Looking around, most of the best work was done during the reign of Pachacuti, in the mid to late 15th century with the European disaster befalling the empire a few decades after his death in the 1530s. So not seeing that claim.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 03 2018, @07:22PM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 03 2018, @07:22PM (#632638)

        Speaking of fallacies:

        Due to excessive bad posting from this IP or Subnet, anonymous comment posting has temporarily been disabled.

        The obvious rebuttal is that our Atlantean AC is is something of a troll, and, I'm not saying it was aliens, but it was aliens!
        (Keep in mind that this is one of his "good" posts, replete with argumentum ad ignorantiam and the thinking of a disordered mind.)

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 03 2018, @08:59PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 03 2018, @08:59PM (#632664)

          Well, I'm not sure about your appraisal of the OP, but your own comment doesn't fair well in my appraisal.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 04 2018, @12:04AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 04 2018, @12:04AM (#632720)

            Now, let's analyze yours. [google.com]

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