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posted by Fnord666 on Monday February 05 2018, @08:33AM   Printer-friendly
from the holy-replacements-batman dept.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/popes-china-calculation-clashes-with-image-as-champion-of-oppressed-1517600924
http://archive.is/8KMX1

Pope Francis ' recent decision to replace two Chinese bishops loyal to Rome with selectees of the country's Communist government, heralding his broader moves to reset the Vatican's ties with Beijing, has drawn cries of betrayal from advocates of the country's long-persecuted "underground" Catholic Church.

The pope's actions in China are characteristic of a leader who has repeatedly practiced realpolitik to achieve important goals. But they clash with Pope Francis' image among many Catholics and others as a defender of the oppressed—a profile likely to be further tested by his campaign to improve Vatican-China relations after seven decades of estrangement.

The pope has decided to recognize seven government-appointed Chinese bishops, according to a person familiar with the matter, in a major concession to Beijing in pursuit of warmer relations and—in the very long term—possible reestablishment of diplomatic ties broken in 1951. As part of that decision, Pope Francis has moved to replace two bishops loyal to the Vatican with prelates from China's state-controlled Catholic church.


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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by marcello_dl on Monday February 05 2018, @09:56AM (5 children)

    by marcello_dl (2685) on Monday February 05 2018, @09:56AM (#633218)

    > The pope's actions in China are characteristic of a leader who has repeatedly practiced realpolitik to achieve important goals.

    Field day for jesuits' critics.

    "The end justifies the means" is not quite part of the fundamentals of christianity, even if the upper layers of the church resort routinely to it.

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  • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday February 05 2018, @04:15PM (4 children)

    by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Monday February 05 2018, @04:15PM (#633311) Journal

    Are you sure it isn't? Maybe not for humans but it sure seems Yahweh is all about the ends justifying the means. Divine Command Theory is a bitch, especially when you think about what it entails for the one doing the commanding...

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    • (Score: 1, Troll) by Bot on Tuesday February 06 2018, @03:50PM (3 children)

      by Bot (3902) on Tuesday February 06 2018, @03:50PM (#633882) Journal

      Divine command theory does not remove personal responsibility, else there would be no sainthood for those who obey. This, if I understood correctly that you see the divine command as the end justifying the means, but you have already deviated because "I was following orders" is independent from a judgment of the orders itself.

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      • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday February 06 2018, @04:13PM (2 children)

        by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Tuesday February 06 2018, @04:13PM (#633905) Journal

        Oh Christ on a cracker, YOU again.

        No, you ignorant, philosophically-naive jackoff, DCT is *empty.* It does not and cannot ground morals because it's a small collection of empty tautologies. Not, of course, that I expect someone with your shaky grasp of basic logic to be able to follow how and why...

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        • (Score: 2) by Bot on Tuesday February 06 2018, @06:49PM (1 child)

          by Bot (3902) on Tuesday February 06 2018, @06:49PM (#634017) Journal

          hello there

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          • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday February 06 2018, @08:54PM

            by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Tuesday February 06 2018, @08:54PM (#634089) Journal

            Heat, kitchen, etc.

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