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Back in December, we reported on the Trump administration's proposed changes to tip-pooling regulations that would allow employers to pocket servers' tips as long as the employees continue to make minimum wage. That's right: Employers could take servers' tips and just dole out the minimum wage. But wait, it gets worse!
Turns out, the Department Of Labor knew how crappy this would make life for restaurant employees. This Bloomberg Law article, citing sources within the agency, reveals that the Department Of Labor knowingly buried its own data that showed restaurant workers would lose billions of dollars in gratuities under the new proposal.
Source: https://thetakeout.com/proposed-tip-pooling-law-is-so-bad-for-workers-the-gove-1822664111
(Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 06 2018, @02:52PM (6 children)
WTF are you going on about, something on Brietbart got you riled up this morning?
I tip every time, at least 10% even if the service is shitty, and more if its better. Its not uncommon for me to give a delivery driver a 10 dollar tip on a 25 dollar order. But yes, the employer should pay every part of their damn salary, and quit expecting me to make up the difference.
But seriously asshole, who shit in your cheerios this morning.
(Score: 3, Informative) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday February 06 2018, @03:00PM (5 children)
Show me on the doll where the mean words hurt you.
Now explain to me how your money going into the employer's hands, getting a big chunk skimmed off of it, and then going to the staff is better than it going directly from you to the staff.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 4, Informative) by Whoever on Tuesday February 06 2018, @04:06PM (1 child)
I'm confused. You voted for the administration that is doing this. This is just another example of "reducing regulations". Surely in your world view, the wait staff should just get another job where the management doesn't steal the tips?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 06 2018, @04:12PM
no kidding, i can't tell if he or I or you or all of us are very confused about TMB's stance on this.
he seems to be arguing for what we're saying should have happened and is coming across as aggressively ignorant of the cause of the argument. there is no argument between us. TMB, did you read the article?
you don't have to change your mindset or even view TMB. you just have to aim it at something else, because you aren't wrong except for who you are arguing with. We're trying to agree with you, don't make it that much harder to do it!
(Score: 4, Interesting) by Grishnakh on Tuesday February 06 2018, @04:21PM (1 child)
Now explain to me how your money going into the employer's hands, getting a big chunk skimmed off of it, and then going to the staff is better than it going directly from you to the staff.
I'm not sure on the particulars of this new regulation, but the employer skimming tips isn't OK in any way. I don't know how anyone could defend that unless they were some sociopathic restaurant owner.
However, there is a valid argument for tip-sharing in restaurants: the front-of-house employees get much better pay, generally, than the back-of-house employees. The servers get less than minimum wage, but they can get WAY over it at a good restaurant with tips. However, you're not just paying for good service from the waiter, your experience is greatly affected by the food from the kitchen, and maybe also how clean the table is (which is done by the busser, not the waiter), and even the person who delivers your food (who is someone other than the waiter in many places). So when you get shitty food, many people leave a poor tip, but it's not the waiter's fault, it's the cook's, but the waiter suffers for it. And when the food is fantastic, the waiter gets a big tip, but the cook gets nothing extra, just the minimum wage or slightly more that he normally gets. Tip-pooling is supposed to help with this by sharing the tips with the other workers in the chain (but not the owner!!).
Really, the whole system is broken. We need to just copy Europe (as with many things) and eliminate tipping, and have employees paid proper wages. Then, if a place is great, you go back, leave a good review, etc., and if a place is lousy, you complain, leave a bad review, don't go back, etc.
Also, this tip-pooling isn't new I think: notice that at most (non-Starbucks) coffee shops, and many counter-order restaurants, you don't give a tip to your server or barista, but instead they have a jar on the counter you can put tips into, which presumably are then shared by all the workers.
(Score: 2) by TheRaven on Monday February 12 2018, @11:48AM
sudo mod me up
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 06 2018, @07:34PM
It doesn't matter whose hands to what. You pay your staff good and pass the expense on to me. Don't turn me into your fucking accountant and don't make me stare into your waitresses's soulless eyes as she tries to flirt an extra buck out of me. "Any more refreshments for this handsome gentleman"