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Back in December, we reported on the Trump administration's proposed changes to tip-pooling regulations that would allow employers to pocket servers' tips as long as the employees continue to make minimum wage. That's right: Employers could take servers' tips and just dole out the minimum wage. But wait, it gets worse!
Turns out, the Department Of Labor knew how crappy this would make life for restaurant employees. This Bloomberg Law article, citing sources within the agency, reveals that the Department Of Labor knowingly buried its own data that showed restaurant workers would lose billions of dollars in gratuities under the new proposal.
Source: https://thetakeout.com/proposed-tip-pooling-law-is-so-bad-for-workers-the-gove-1822664111
(Score: 2) by EvilSS on Tuesday February 06 2018, @03:28PM (12 children)
(Score: 5, Interesting) by Immerman on Tuesday February 06 2018, @04:12PM (6 children)
Except for the fact that repeated studies have shown that waiter performance actually has almost no impact on how much they get tipped - that's basically random. About the only thing that *does* correlate with tip amount is the patron's wealth - wealthy patron generally tip substantially lower than most.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Tuesday February 06 2018, @04:38PM (4 children)
A wealthy person knows that wealth is not accumulated by spending, on the contrary. Otherwise chances are that person won't stay wealthy for long.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 06 2018, @05:33PM
oh yeah, the wealthy are wealthy b/c they are soooo fucking smart. more like stingy sell-outs most of the time.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 06 2018, @05:36PM (1 child)
???
Really? That is the excuse you want to give rich people?
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Tuesday February 06 2018, @05:48PM
Excuse? It's just a hypothesis.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by ants_in_pants on Wednesday February 07 2018, @02:50AM
A wealthy person can also afford to spend money more freely.
A wealthy person who spends too much money becomes poor, a poor person who spends too much money becomes dead.
-Love, ants_in_pants
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 06 2018, @06:17PM
Not quite, repeated studies have shown that tip amount is largely based on sex of the wait staff and if they draw hearts on the receipt.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by c0lo on Tuesday February 06 2018, @04:14PM (4 children)
If I'm going into a restaurant, I'm going there to have a good time. I don't see how making me taking care of your business falls on the line of "making the patron feel welcome" - I certainly see it as a hassle.
Oh, but I am tipping the waiting staff now and them, to show my real appreciation for exceptional services in case such services are provided.
Which means I don't see the waiter until the moment I actually need her and s/he's immediately there when I need it. This is why s/he is called "waiter" - from the archaic "to be in readiness for; be reserved for;" - which means s/he's waiting for me and I'm not waiting.
And if and only if that person manages to do the job to my satisfaction, then I expect this level of attention would detract her/him from other things requiring attention, so a compensation is in order. But even then it is a service rendered to me by her/him, thus the payment is between me and her/him and no other's stinking business.
Anything less is just an "as expected level of service" that I expect any decent restaurant should provide - so no tipping.
The only exception to the above (and that happens more often than not) is when the waiting staff and the owner are in the same family - I do enjoy eating in small/family businesses, 5-6 tables tops, honest good food, nothing fancy - happens sometime the cook is delivering some dishes her/himself if the others are busy with something else. Italian trattorias and Greek tavernes manage to hit the spot for me. Occasionally, it happens in country-side pubs as well. In such cases, the tip goes with the bill for the overall experience.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 3, Interesting) by pipedwho on Tuesday February 06 2018, @09:08PM
Completely agree with this.
In Australia, the tip generally goes to more than just the wait staff, so the restaurant experience comes off more like a team effort.
It pisses me off no end when I'm in some small establishment in the USA and it feels like a union demarkation dispute will erupt if I ask the 'wrong' staff member for something because 'my' waiter was temporarily busy tending to someone else at the time. Then there's the over-the-top saccharine sweet friendliness that some put on right after bowling over a bell boy and pushing past patrons at 'not their' table to get to you and your table. Not a team effort from the restaurant, and not an overall great experience in my book. Some places do ok, but my best experiences come from places that specifically state not to tip, but then again, those places are already at the higher end of things. The worst experiences I've had were at high end places where the wait staff 'expect' a big huge tip based on a percentage of the premium prices on the menu even if you tip the minimum 15% or whatever it is they expect.
(Score: 2) by EvilSS on Tuesday February 06 2018, @09:16PM (1 child)
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Tuesday February 06 2018, @11:15PM
Like most of this world does.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Tuesday February 06 2018, @10:14PM
Yes! The best food (and service) is usually from the small mom and pop restaurants.
This one place I went to had the BEST 'spaghetti/meat' sauce with just the right amount of chili heat! They, I left tips for because I always had over-service, lol
Owner died, (wife retired) and now we got McDoo-Doos. Fecking hell.
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