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Small town Republican thoughts on refuting the alt-right. In The Republican Journal:
I want to make one thing very clear: The Waldo County Republican Committee absolutely, unequivocally condemns Nazi and KKK ideologies and actions, as well as any other kind of bigotry, and we encourage all of our voters and the community at large to do the same.
For fellow Republicans out there, worry not, we don't like Antifa's ideology and actions either, but we need to clean our own house; we need to worry about our own responsibilities.
Such honesty, and clarity of thought!
The most dangerous part of politics today is identity politics, trolling, pathos and a severe lack of critical thinking. You cannot defeat the insidious hatred of bigoted politics with more hate. By doing so, you morph the conversation away from policy and ideology to silly label syntax, eventually devolving completely into back and forth verbal gymnastics. Make no mistake, these trolls are ready for you as you stoop to their level, and they beat you up with mountains of experience.
So what do we do? Very simple. Stay neighborly by controlling your reaction. Seek out those with whom you disagree, try to understand them first, and politely offer your counter argument.
And it looks like the Republicans in Maine, if not in Illinois, are rejecting the alt-right.
The way to defeat Mr. Kawczynski is not by attacking him, but by attacking his ideas. Here are some flaws in his thinking: His immigration ideas are antithetical to the Maine Republican party platform, a section of which states, "We support the assimilation of legal immigrants into Maine society."
Kawczynski's ideas stand in contrast to Maine history and culture; in fact, it is white folks with racist ideologies who pose the greatest threat to Maine's foundation, not other races of people.
Another brilliant tidbit:
Ultimately, all you have to do is walk outside with your eyes open in this state to see that Kawczynski's fearmongering about "white genocide" is completely laughable.
Entire guest column is well worth a read.
(Score: 1, Troll) by c0lo on Saturday February 10 2018, @12:02AM (19 children)
So, because of the form, you'd rather have the message hidden away?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 0, Troll) by Gaaark on Saturday February 10 2018, @01:36AM (18 children)
No...like i said, it is maybe worthy of a journal entry.
Put crap in there all you want and let readers read if they want to.
When he learns to submit something GOOD, THEN! put it into a submission.
I'm not advocating blocking his speech: just don't post it as a submission when it is AT BEST a journal entry.
Crap is crap, whinging is whinging: these are what Aristarchus does. When he learns to submit something worthy, i for one will look forward to reading it (which is why i read the submission in the FIRST PLACE. I thought maybe he'd submitted something worth reading. Instead, i got something worth (maybe) journalling.
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Saturday February 10 2018, @01:45AM (17 children)
From the entire content, there's exactly 5 terse phrases written by aristarchus - are you really that sensitive you can't ignore them and concentrate on the message?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Saturday February 10 2018, @03:26AM (16 children)
I just don't think there is anything interesting in the whole submission: "some people have an opinion" is what it boils down to. Welp, i'm sure others in Where's Waldo County have other opinions. Let's hear THEM too. Damn, let's hear the opinions of everyone!
I just don't think there is anything worth posting on the front page here. IMHO it is a journal entry at best. That is all! THAT is MY opinion, but you seem to have a problem with that, but not with the opinions of 'some people' in Waldo County.
Opinions are opinions. Everyone has them, but i don't want to hear everyones opinion when it is really just a journal entry, not 'NEWS'.
Plus, it would be nice to see something else from Aristarchus instead of just "alt-right, alt-right...OhmeeeeGod! Teh alt-right!" I'd like to see an actual good submission worth reading from him, not (again) a journal entry.
I'm sure Ari has something else he could post about. Make it good, make it interesting and I AM THERE!
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Saturday February 10 2018, @03:47AM (15 children)
Your opinion noted.
One of the many.
Then you are free to ignore the ones you don't want to hear.
For me, for the reasons I already explained [soylentnews.org], this is notable and relevant news.
You don't too many occasions to see news on natural common-sense nowadays. People may even start to forget such a thing exist.
Then for the sake of God, why don't you ask this straight! Like: "ari, do note that your submission is inflaming my whatevs, can you please tone it down?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Saturday February 10 2018, @04:03AM (8 children)
Okay, i accept your opinion about the article (i guess i just don't see the excitement)
but if you look at my past posts about Ari, i HAVE asked him to write better, write different, write intelligent, post crap to journal, on and on. He just likes posting crap and then whining and whinging about not getting accepted.
I have submitted crap and got rejected. I learned and improved, then i got accepted.
Ari submits crap and gets rejected. He whines and whinges and cries and yells and tantrums and then submits more crap that gets rejected. I don't get why people support him when all he does is crap and whine.
People who enable other people to be crap are not friends or supporters: it is like enabling a drunk to be a drunk. You should be telling him to stop submitting crap and whining about rejections: tell him to man up and write better!
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Saturday February 10 2018, @04:18AM (7 children)
Because when you sift the crap and whinging away, some pieces are gold (not quite all is crap and whine)
Say "fool's gold" if so you think, but... de gustibus.
Happens the same with ethanol's comments.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Saturday February 10 2018, @04:53AM (6 children)
At least ethanol makes me laugh once in a while :)
I dunno.... i haven't seen gold, but if you have-- i just believe he could do better. He used to make intelligent posts, but lately his comments are like his submissions: whiney, cry-ey and crap (like he's only a 13 year old) IMHO (like THIS):
https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?sid=23996&cid=635636 [soylentnews.org]
(kind of a little boy response)
I'd like to see better, i guess.
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday February 10 2018, @06:25AM (5 children)
He's acting. Read his journal and you'll get some insight into just what kind of a mind we're dealing with here. He's sitting there laughing at the people who can't, or won't, see beyond what should be very, very obvious trolling.
The comparison with Eth, by the way, is *completely* off course. Eth was always just on the edge of sociopathy, but about the time der Gropenfuhrer got elected, something snapped inside him. He is, as I've said before, a jenkem merchant who made the classic amateur drug dealer's mistake, viz., getting high on his own supply.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 10 2018, @06:33AM
Speaks volumes about someone who find EF funny... I guess you have to be slightly racist to find his over-the-top racism funny. There are ridiculous accusations of racism these days, but generally people ignore such stupidity unless they fell personally attacked.
Time for some soul searching. 0.42% chance such statements are simply opposed to the ridiculous.
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Sunday February 11 2018, @08:09PM (3 children)
I know he's acting, but he's also easy to 'rile up', lol. It seems, if memory serves, that he knows some greek (if it was him posting about it), but his debate skills seem really low and he can't seem to 'argue' well.
I know his #freearistarchus thing is about, what, comic sarcasm? Something like an Andy Kaufman joke: look, poor me: i got beat up by a girl wrestler, you should feel sorry for me my neck may be broken....
I get it and feed it.
Look at the # of comments in the thread (last i looked it was at 210?), some of that was me feeding into his act: that said, i STILL believe it would have been even a poor journal entry, but WOW----SPLOSION!! :)
Ethanol..... oh, ethanol.... he seems to be acting as well, but it IS hard to tell sometimes, lol. But he's like Ari (and yourself and MYself): good characters in a good comedy. Sometimes you go out of character, sometimes you stay in but we all make life entertaining, lol.
Keep this under wraps or 'SPLOSION' it to others, i don't care: i just commented now to keep it more low key if you wanted to.
Yup: good characters in a good comedy. I'll be Maurice Moss.
'TNETENNBA' https://www.collinsdictionary.com/submission/4616/tnetennba [collinsdictionary.com]
;)
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
(Score: 3, Informative) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday February 11 2018, @10:39PM (2 children)
Ethanol is not acting and neither am I. I am as deadly serious as an Ebola outbreak. And Eth has disappeared up his own asshole; he started as one of those "ironic racists" and somewhere between now and about 18 months ago morphed into an actual bigot. He believes the shit he was spewing as (possibly) a joke.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Sunday February 11 2018, @11:12PM (1 child)
Ah, i guess i just don't pay THAT much attention to him? (or, really, anyone here: i have too much of my own shit to worry about anyone else (my son, and now my wife having uterine cancer....waiting for her surgery is killing me. I hate waiting for stuff i have no control over...or waiting, i guess. I'm a pacer and all i can do right now is MENTALLY pace... it sucks).
I've learned to shrug off stupid people, i guess, because of my own shit going on i barely have time for.
I don't like the hate either, but i guess I always thought it was an ethanol act (my autism keeps me from reading people at the best of times).
I keep it straight (i think i am an alcoholic, but have been off it for a month now.... my wife DOES have cancer, my son IS moderately autistic), but i guess it's just a game for me: i can mess with Aristarchus because he seems to be playing a game. I mess with Ethanol because...same.
Sometimes i lose it and go off swearing and hating a bit but i try to keep it a game...... shit.... anyways, it's been nice talking with you. Back to work. :)
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday February 12 2018, @03:18AM
I keep warning you about these people. It's right out of the neo-Nazi playbook to be "an ironic Nazi," right up until the point you actually aren't "being ironic" any longer. I think some people don't intend to make the change from "doing it for the lulz" to actually believing the shit they spew, but it happens anyway. Eth is beyond redemption (and not funny any longer, either). I used to be able to toss a +1 Funny his way now and then, but it's been at least a year and now every time he pops up he just sprays rotten bile everywhere he goes.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0, Troll) by Gaaark on Saturday February 10 2018, @04:23AM (5 children)
Here ya go; more crap. THIS is what i'm talking about:
1. https://soylentnews.org/submit.pl?op=viewsub&subid=24698¬e=&title=%E2%80%9CI%E2%80%99m+blessing+and+victory+to+Shiva+for+Senate%2C+.+.+.++to+defeating+fake+Indian+Elizabeth+Warren%22 [soylentnews.org]
2. https://soylentnews.org/submit.pl?op=viewsub&subid=24711¬e=&title=Alt-right+killers [soylentnews.org]
3. https://soylentnews.org/submit.pl?op=viewsub&subid=24711¬e=&title=Alt-right+killers [soylentnews.org]
Can you REALLY tell me that this shite isn't anything but journal entries?
1. OMG! Really? This is crap. Outright crap from begining to end. It is the 'human centIpad' of submission. Not even a journal entry worth reading let alone a submission.
2. Lots of deaths in America: sigh. Not news and pretty bad tying 13 deaths to 'alt-right': why not a submission on how many deaths from eating McDonalds food? But no: ALT-RIGHT!! Sigh.
3. Oh Jeebus: someone is 'going after' someone else. Wow. BUT ALT-RIGHT!!1 OMG~!! ALT-RIGHT!! Can you really support this kind of submission? Really?
But no... he's submitted them and then he'll whine when they get rejected.
DON'T ENABLE DRUNKS, AND DON'T ENABLE ARISTARCHUS TO POST SHIT AND WHINE!
Come on: this is childish journal entry at best! Sheit.
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Saturday February 10 2018, @04:52AM (4 children)
(your 3rd is the same as the second)
Yes, mate, I can understand your editorial plight. However not all of ari's submission are crap - someone, cooler-headed, did see the value in this story and I'm grateful he did.
My take on the list after getting the "alt-right" obsession aside.
1. some tech poser poser is an idiot and has been trolled by a troll [youtube.com] turned white-pride [masslive.com] - probably journal, the most a "slow news weekend" entry after cutting out the alt-right twist. (it may turn later that someone try to fill the "power void" left after the "demise" of Milo; like this world needs more trolls)
2. Agreed - journal stuff. At most, material for countering "antifa is exactly like new nazis" - to my knowledge, so far antifa didn;t kill anybody.
Chill your head down, you'll die too early if you eat your liver for such trifles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Saturday February 10 2018, @04:57AM (3 children)
Oh, no problem here :)
I just would like to see better: his best out of those 3 posts isn't good enough, i believe.
Wouldn't you like to see better?
I just don't know why he gets support for failing so hard. Don't enable.
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
(Score: 0, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 10 2018, @06:39AM (2 children)
There is no failure, this is news. I bet you wouldn't be posting such whining comments if the article was about California Democrats calling out Antifa and saying they are antithetical to a free society.
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Sunday February 11 2018, @09:44PM
The article could be about you getting a clue and I'd still call it out as a journal entry....but THAT doesn't seem to be the case.
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
(Score: 1) by Sulla on Monday February 12 2018, @08:33PM
I don't see a whole lot of people who are on the right end of the spectrum submitting articles like that. I don't because if I had something like that to post I would keep it in a journal entry, Eth doesn't seem to submit a lot, Arcz doesn't seem to submit a lot, TMB does but all TMB wants is a fight. When you go to the politics nexus you see:
Guest column: Control - alt right - delete ~~~ Anti Alt Right rant
Fake News Sharing in US is a Right-Wing Thing, Says Oxford University Study ~~~ Anti Alt Right rant
Donald Trump Signs Executive Order to Keep Guantánamo Bay Open ~~~ Legit news
Dutch Agencies Provide Crucial Intel About Russia’s Interference In US Elections ~~~ Legit news
President Trump Backed Off from Ordering Special Counsel Mueller Fired ~~~ according to four people told of the matter
Alt-Right Neo-Nazis Are Targeting the Women's March ~~~ Anti Alt Right rant
The Supreme Court Will Rule on President Trump's Muslim Travel Ban ~~~ Legit news - "Muslim Travel Ban"
Breaking News: U.S. Government Shutdown Starting on January 20, 2018 ~~~ Legit news
Democrats Say They Have 50 Votes in Senate to Overrule Net Neutrality Repeal ~~~ Legit news
Nine Alt-Right or Trump related articles on the first page. Of those you had four that were actual news with an anti-republican/alt-right/trump lean to them, one with TRTD calling it a muslim ban but the summary was pretty fine, one that was the same tier of news that claims monthly sessions or tillerson is gonna be fired, and three that are straight up anti-alt-right rants. And look at that, none of them pro-trump or the alt-right or the republicans (not that there is anything wrong with that, we should be critical). This shows me that those on the right tend to still be skeptical of the government or just don't submit articles for what they agree with. I don't have time to look further back than that right now although I would like to...
I think what it comes down to is that I don't see the far left as "the other" yet some of those in the far left see me as "the other". When I see an Antifa type protesting or breaking something downtown, I don't think "wow I hate democrats" I think "that person is a loon". I don't feel it is necessary for those on the left to point out and apologize for anything that an Antifa person or anarchist might do because a person is their own keeper. The ones that appear to be batching everyone into one group seem on the left side of the spectrum saying that anyone who supports free speech, business, or the right to defend myself are Nazis.
If I woke up one morning and Trump was coming for people in the LGBT community I'd be joining a local militia to resist the federal government. Based on what I see here said by people like Ari or Deathmonkey it appears that if the shoe were on the other foot they would turn me without a second thought.
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