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posted by Fnord666 on Tuesday February 13 2018, @07:04PM   Printer-friendly
from the celebrity-has-its-shortcomings dept.

Late last month, a YouTube celebrity couple hid in their closet and called police while an armed, deranged fan ransacked their home.

Christopher Giles, who police described as "single, lonely and disturbed," had made the 11-hour drive from Albuquerque, according to documents filed in the 2nd Judicial District Court. And his phone was full of notes suggesting he had "developed a fondness" for the woman, Megan Turney, and a dislike of her boyfriend, Gavin Free.

Turney, 30, was made famous through her video blogs on anime, relationship advice and her life. Free, 29, is the co-host of a YouTube video series of slow-motion videos.

[...] According to that search warrant affidavit, around 3:40 a.m. on Jan. 26, Turney and Free awoke to the sound of breaking glass and a gunshot. They hid in their bedroom closet and called 911 while Giles searched their home for them.

When he couldn't find the couple, Giles left, encountering Austin Police Department officers on his way out.

The officers found Giles backing out of the driveway in his Lincoln sedan with a New Mexico license plate and ordered him to stop.

Instead, they heard a single gunshot coming from the car. An officer returned fire.

Giles was pronounced dead on the scene, a .45 caliber handgun near his hand, according to the affidavit. Turney and Free were not harmed.

[...] "Based on the footage seen it was apparent that Giles' sole intent was to cause harm to someone who resides there," the detective wrote in the complaint.

[...] Albuquerque Police Department detectives who executed a search warrant on his home in Albuquerque said Giles lived alone and was "an avid player of video games and was known for watching YouTube videos that were centered on his hobby."


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  • (Score: 5, Informative) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Wednesday February 14 2018, @01:03AM (26 children)

    by MichaelDavidCrawford (2339) Subscriber Badge <mdcrawford@gmail.com> on Wednesday February 14 2018, @01:03AM (#637382) Homepage Journal

    For me to come to understand this was a crucial step in my recovery from batshit insanity.

    That delusion can take many forms.

    Suicidal people sometimes appear happy, for the reason that they have come up with a solution to all their troubles.

    If your friend or loved one should start giving away all their possessions, shoot them with a tranquilizer gun, capture them in a butterfly net then deliver them to a Psychiatric Intensive Care Unit.

    --
    Yes I Have No Bananas. [gofundme.com]
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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Arik on Wednesday February 14 2018, @01:08AM (25 children)

    by Arik (4543) on Wednesday February 14 2018, @01:08AM (#637384) Journal
    If someone has made up their mind to leave this world what right do you have to force them to stay?
    --
    If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
    • (Score: 2) by Reziac on Wednesday February 14 2018, @06:19AM (3 children)

      by Reziac (2489) on Wednesday February 14 2018, @06:19AM (#637481) Homepage

      Suicide has frequently been (and in some places still is) illegal, even a felony. [I expect this is a holdover from when a serf's labor was owned by his master.]

      How the state planned to punish successful "criminals" escapes me, tho I suppose they could always impost a death tax (or penalty) on the miscreant's survivors.

      --
      And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
      • (Score: 2) by Freeman on Wednesday February 14 2018, @04:47PM (1 child)

        by Freeman (732) on Wednesday February 14 2018, @04:47PM (#637661) Journal

        Suicide being illegal, means helping someone commit suicide would be illegal. I would be surprised, if the law was there just for that purpose.

        --
        Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
        • (Score: 2) by Reziac on Wednesday February 14 2018, @07:02PM

          by Reziac (2489) on Wednesday February 14 2018, @07:02PM (#637774) Homepage

          No, suicide itself was illegal, even without assistance.

          --
          And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
      • (Score: 2) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Wednesday February 14 2018, @09:16PM

        by MichaelDavidCrawford (2339) Subscriber Badge <mdcrawford@gmail.com> on Wednesday February 14 2018, @09:16PM (#637885) Homepage Journal

        The judge can force you to spend ten days in a hospital but there must be a hearing first. In California there's an informal hearing at the hospital, then a far more serious hearing in a courthouse.

        In Washington there's only one hearing, also in the hospital, but the procedure is quite formal.

        --
        Yes I Have No Bananas. [gofundme.com]
    • (Score: 3, Disagree) by cubancigar11 on Wednesday February 14 2018, @07:38AM (16 children)

      by cubancigar11 (330) on Wednesday February 14 2018, @07:38AM (#637505) Homepage Journal

      As a social worker working with suicidal men, let me say that nobody has 'made up their mind' to commit suicide. Suicidal thoughts come like unbearable wave and the only thing required to save a life is to let that wave pass. Once the wave passes we can work on why it came. Once a guy called me and said he is holding a bottle of poison and he is going to commit suicide. I told him that I am very busy and is it possible to delay the suicide for next 2 hours? 2 hours later the wave had subsided and he was rational.

      Is it also why it is extremely important to have friends to talk to, even if they are just listeners.

      • (Score: 4, Interesting) by Arik on Wednesday February 14 2018, @04:12PM (15 children)

        by Arik (4543) on Wednesday February 14 2018, @04:12PM (#637634) Journal
        "As a social worker working with suicidal men, let me say that nobody has 'made up their mind' to commit suicide."

        You're wrong. I even have a link extremely handy for you, courtesy of anon above.

        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/7326304/City-executive-delayed-suicide-so-wife-could-claim-life-insurance.html

        Now maybe the people *you* have encountered and worked with haven't. Likely so. Someone that's made their mind up isn't going to be contacting a social worker. But the world is larger than the bubble of you passing through it.

        "Once a guy called me and said he is holding a bottle of poison and he is going to commit suicide."

        Yep, that was a guy that wanted attention, not exit. He may have been depressed for whatever reason, he might have been genuinely *thinking* about suicide, *contemplating* suicide as a possibility (and likely moreso fantasizing about how the various people in his life would be affected) but he's certainly not made up his mind to do it, in fact he's clearly looking for any shred of an excuse to put it down, which is why he called.

        Now remember I was responding to the guy that said "Suicidal people sometimes appear happy, for the reason that they have come up with a solution to all their troubles. If your friend or loved one should start giving away all their possessions, shoot them with a tranquilizer gun, capture them in a butterfly net then deliver them to a Psychiatric Intensive Care Unit." That doesn't sound to me like someone that's going to be calling the hotline looking for an excuse to stop, it sounds like someone that may have made up his mind to leave, and my question was what gives you the right to assault them like that and force them to stay?

        Did you have anything to say relevant to the context?
        --
        If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
        • (Score: 1, Troll) by cubancigar11 on Wednesday February 14 2018, @04:17PM (13 children)

          by cubancigar11 (330) on Wednesday February 14 2018, @04:17PM (#637638) Homepage Journal

          I stopped reading after 'you are wrong' because I actually got trained by professors of psychology.

          • (Score: 3, Touché) by insanumingenium on Wednesday February 14 2018, @05:22PM (11 children)

            by insanumingenium (4824) on Wednesday February 14 2018, @05:22PM (#637682) Journal

            What exactly is that appeal to authority supposed to prove?

            • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by cubancigar11 on Thursday February 15 2018, @09:07AM (10 children)

              by cubancigar11 (330) on Thursday February 15 2018, @09:07AM (#638148) Homepage Journal

              Not everything is supposed to be about proving something to you. I did a training, I helped save lives, I told what I learned now you want to argue about it. Great!

              Next in line: Don't vaccinate your children because doctors are not an authority!

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 15 2018, @03:58PM (4 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 15 2018, @03:58PM (#638269)

                Only your own viewpoint matters, and you'd rather be happy than competent.

                Got it.

                • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by cubancigar11 on Thursday February 15 2018, @04:17PM (3 children)

                  by cubancigar11 (330) on Thursday February 15 2018, @04:17PM (#638275) Homepage Journal

                  Is there a sudden reading comprehension failure here? The opinion is of a psychology professor who conducts training, vs something off the internet.

                  Suddenly I feel like I am surrounded by spurned ex-lovers.

                  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by FatPhil on Saturday February 17 2018, @04:02AM (2 children)

                    by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Saturday February 17 2018, @04:02AM (#639195) Homepage
                    > Is there a sudden reading comprehension failure here?

                    Possibly. If so, by you. It's clear that there's a general logic failure going on - by you.

                    > The opinion is of a psychology professor who conducts training, vs something off the internet.

                    Now google "appeal to authority", which isn't your greatest logical falacy here. Your most egregiious logical falacy is one I like to call "bad fucking logic".

                    You say: "All X is Y"
                    Someone says: "I know of an X which is not Y"
                    You lose.
                    Thats's it.
                    Then you throw in appeal to authority just for good measure.
                    Your argument is categorically proved false just with one counter example.
                    If you can't tell the difference between "all" and most/many, please, just stop making pronouncements on the internet.
                    You are the "something off the internet" that you wish us to spurn.
                    Happy to oblige.

                    > Suddenly I feel like I am surrounded by spurned ex-lovers.

                    Nineteen and a half years and still going strong, here. Two houses and two businesses shared we're both so confident that there's no likelihood of any split down the road. Yourself?
                    --
                    Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
                    • (Score: 2) by cubancigar11 on Sunday February 18 2018, @09:00PM (1 child)

                      by cubancigar11 (330) on Sunday February 18 2018, @09:00PM (#639810) Homepage Journal

                      Dude, I am not "proclaiming" anything but it is very clear you want to win very hard. I reiterated something that I was trained into. Get it? Read that sentence again? If you have such a scratch to itch go scratch it for all I care; I can't go talk to a suicidal person next time by unlearning what I have been taught because some dumbass armchair self-proclaimed psychologist convinced me on soylentnews otherwise. Get it?? Probably not.

                      Damn, it is difficult to talk to people you have outgrown! Bye bye!

                      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by FatPhil on Monday February 19 2018, @12:02AM

                        by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Monday February 19 2018, @12:02AM (#639871) Homepage
                        Now address the logic of our argument.
                        I say argument, singular, as all three of us have identified the same flaw in your argument.
                        --
                        Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
              • (Score: 1, Troll) by insanumingenium on Thursday February 15 2018, @04:53PM (4 children)

                by insanumingenium (4824) on Thursday February 15 2018, @04:53PM (#638287) Journal
                You made a statement of fact that is flat untrue.

                As a social worker working with suicidal men, let me say that nobody has 'made up their mind' to commit suicide.

                You can never support an argument that nobody wants something. When that was pointed out you indicated that you wouldn't even read the comment because you has some sort of training, and I am sorry, but that is a logical fallacy, it has zero bearing. You aren't automatically correct because you "did a training", that doesn't support the position that you stated.

                You are obviously proud of helping people, that is a great thing. I don't even disagree that most suicidal people just want attention, I disagree with the idea that we should listen to your opinions stated as facts unquestioned because of some unspecified training. You aren't being harassed here, you spouted utter bullshit, and when people politely pointed that out you got defensive. We didn't hunt you down to tell you you were wrong, you came to us. And while we are at it, thanks for the bonus straw man at the end there.

                If you decide that you would like to come back to the table, I for one would love to hear your response to Arik's question.

                ...That doesn't sound to me like someone that's going to be calling the hotline looking for an excuse to stop, it sounds like someone that may have made up his mind to leave, and my question was what gives you the right to assault them like that and force them to stay?

                Did you have anything to say relevant to the context?

                • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by cubancigar11 on Thursday February 15 2018, @09:11PM (3 children)

                  by cubancigar11 (330) on Thursday February 15 2018, @09:11PM (#638442) Homepage Journal

                  You keep repeating the word 'argument'. The only person arguing is you.

                  If you think this statement is 'flat untrue': "nobody has 'made up their mind' to commit suicide" then I am sorry to have messed up with your therapy. I cannot believe the so called nerdy website with apparently veteran slashdotters are saying that believing a over something I read over internet is 'appeal to authority'.

                  I don't even disagree that most suicidal people just want attention

                  People like you are the problem. First of you think that suicidal people are seeking attention, then you assign that statement to me. Fuck you! What are you talking about dude? Are you talking about yourself?

                  If you decide that you would like to come back to the table

                  The table is in your head. Do something to take it out and join the normal people.

                  • (Score: 2, Troll) by insanumingenium on Thursday February 15 2018, @09:44PM (2 children)

                    by insanumingenium (4824) on Thursday February 15 2018, @09:44PM (#638453) Journal

                    You keep repeating the word 'argument'. The only person arguing is you.

                    You keep responding, and keep telling me I am wrong, call it what you want.

                    If you think this statement is 'flat untrue': "nobody has 'made up their mind' to commit suicide" then I am sorry to have messed up with your therapy. I cannot believe the so called nerdy website with apparently veteran slashdotters are saying that believing a over something I read over internet is 'appeal to authority'.

                    I am not sure what my therapy has to do with thinking that you can't make blanket statements about the intentions of every suicidal person ever. I am not sure what what second sentence was supposed to mean, but I don't know how to interpret you repeated comments about training and professors as anything other than an appeal to authority.

                    People like you are the problem. First of you think that suicidal people are seeking attention, then you assign that statement to me. Fuck you! What are you talking about dude? Are you talking about yourself?

                    You 100% have me here. I didn't mean to assign that statement to you, I was being overly casual with a common description of people lacking serious intent. That was an oversight on my part

                    What I was trying (poorly) to say was that you can not categorically deny that there are people with serious and reasoned intent to commit suicide. And no, I am not talking about myself, thanks for the concern.

                    The table is in your head. Do something to take it out and join the normal people.

                    Again, not 100% clear what that was supposed to mean. You keep responding, so I do, seems like we are having a discussion to me. I would still love to see your professional thoughts on Arik's question, I trust it would be more reasoned and meaningful than ad hominem attacks.

                    • (Score: 2) by cubancigar11 on Sunday February 18 2018, @08:52PM (1 child)

                      by cubancigar11 (330) on Sunday February 18 2018, @08:52PM (#639808) Homepage Journal

                      You keep repeating the word 'argument'. The only person arguing is you.

                      You keep responding, and keep telling me I am wrong, call it what you want.

                      Exactly, every conversation is an argument that you must win. Again, didn't read any further. Let me know if you find therapy helpful. tc

                      • (Score: 2) by insanumingenium on Monday February 19 2018, @04:28PM

                        by insanumingenium (4824) on Monday February 19 2018, @04:28PM (#640132) Journal

                        Exactly, every conversation is an argument that you must win. Again, didn't read any further. Let me know if you find therapy helpful. tc

                        I don't see how that statement can apply to me any less than you. What you don't seem to get, I am not "winning" here, I am demonstrating that you are flat wrong, a process that will continue until you stop responding or repent of your idiocy. Still not sure who you expect to impress by claiming you aren't reading things.

                        Also, thanks for all the troll tags, they make it 100% clear to all observers what is going on here.

          • (Score: 2) by Reziac on Wednesday February 14 2018, @07:06PM

            by Reziac (2489) on Wednesday February 14 2018, @07:06PM (#637779) Homepage

            There's your problem!! ;)

            --
            And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 15 2018, @01:06PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 15 2018, @01:06PM (#638211)

          I've attempted suicide, I've been where the poison guy was. Saying he wanted attention was both correct and incorrect. I wasn't looking for publicity, I wanted someone to tell me I was worth it. I knew I was a scummy worthless piece of shit who didn't deserve to live. Everything I tried ended in failure and constantly being depressed only made the people around me uncomfortable. I needed someone I respected to tell me "Nope, you're actually ok and you won't be wasting a shrink's time if you talk with one nor would you be preventing them from saving someone who mattered instead of wasting time on you." I never got that so I poorly tried to kill myself. I didn't have enough enthusiasm in anything to do a good job at it.

          The energy to kill yourself comes and goes, but the depression stays around (unless you're bi-polar).

          So yes, may suicidal people crave some attention, but don't mistake attention for publicity. We'd more prefer a deeper connection than 15 minutes of fame. Of course everyone is a little different...

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 14 2018, @08:04AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 14 2018, @08:04AM (#637510)

      Well for some it's just a temporary thing.

      Just like when some people do stuff while they are on drugs (e.g. alcohol) that they wouldn't do at other times.

      So when they've recovered they might go "Thanks for stopping me from doing that".

      But if they still say "You shouldn't have stopped me" then the next time don't. To make it easier tell them to not do it while you're around.

      There are people like this guy: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/7326304/City-executive-delayed-suicide-so-wife-could-claim-life-insurance.html [telegraph.co.uk]

      They're quite sane, just "different" and you're not going to stop them short of infringing on their legal rights.

    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 14 2018, @04:26PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 14 2018, @04:26PM (#637648)

      Fair enough, but what right do they have to force/trick someone else to help them?

    • (Score: 2) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Wednesday February 14 2018, @09:13PM (1 child)

      by MichaelDavidCrawford (2339) Subscriber Badge <mdcrawford@gmail.com> on Wednesday February 14 2018, @09:13PM (#637884) Homepage Journal

      -ion.

      Suppose you were unconscious due to a life-threatening concussion.

      You have no way to give informed consent. Aren't the doctors who save your life committing a serious crime?

      No, because all the lawyers assert that were you conscious you would grant that informed consent.

      It's like that with suicidal minds. The law doesn't regard them as able to think objectively.

      I attempted to do myself in in quite a spectacular way back in 2011. I spent some time in a mental hospital, then quite a long time at home when I wasn't able to do anything more ambitious than to lie on the couch.

      Despite all that I have come to regard life as worth living, and the complete destruction of a perfectly good automobile as the price I paid to be taught this lesson.

      --
      Yes I Have No Bananas. [gofundme.com]
      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Arik on Wednesday February 14 2018, @09:59PM

        by Arik (4543) on Wednesday February 14 2018, @09:59PM (#637904) Journal
        "Suppose you were unconscious due to a life-threatening concussion.

        You have no way to give informed consent. Aren't the doctors who save your life committing a serious crime?"

        Not necessarily, no. There's a reasonable expectation in that case, barring evidence to the contrary, that the patient wants to live.

        However, if they DO see such evidence and proceed anyway, then yes, that would be wrong. See http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc1713344

        "No, because all the lawyers assert that were you conscious you would grant that informed consent."

        No, that's not correct at all. No decent lawyer would make such an easily impeached claim. The claim instead is simply that the doctors are acting reasonably to infer that patients want to be treated since most people do, and there are adequate ways for someone that does not to make that desire known.

        "Despite all that I have come to regard life as worth living, and the complete destruction of a perfectly good automobile as the price I paid to be taught this lesson."

        That's your experience, and perfectly valid. But it's not everyone's experience. Assuming that everyone is going to have the same experience you did is... naïve? at best.

        --
        If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?