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posted by takyon on Tuesday February 13 2018, @11:50PM   Printer-friendly
from the right-tool-for-the-job dept.

An article over at Motherboard covers the growing inequities in the US resulting from the cultivation of individualized transport options.

Carsharing, ridesharing, ride-hailing, public transit, and cycling—"all of those things are needed to replace personal cars," said [Robin Chase, co-founder of Zipcar].

It's a nice idea, but to actually kill car ownership, we're first going to need to have some very uncomfortable conversations about class and equity in the United States. Public transit used to be the great equalizer, but affordable private rides have become the new favorite of the middle class. When richer people give their money to private ride-hailing or carsharing companies, public transit loses money—and that's not good for cities, societies, or the environment.

[...] This dependence on ride-hailing is having the adverse effect of increasing traffic congestion, which in turn makes bus service slower and more frustrating. Besides, until cities change dramatically—i.e. more parks, fewer parking lots, less sprawl, better accommodations for active and public transit—decreased rates of car ownership likely won't benefit the environment if we're still travelling the same distances in cars.

Those living in countries that still have good or remnants of good mass transit will have different insights. It is unlikely that without good, reliable, vast public transit networks, there will be social and economic equity, assuming that is a goal. While public transit can suck, especially in the US, it is sometimes necessary to take one for the team and vote with your wallet. Unfortunately the situation is often framed as a false dilemma, that there can only be private cars or only mass transit, but not both coexisting and used for different ends at different times by the same people.


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  • (Score: 5, Informative) by takyon on Wednesday February 14 2018, @12:21AM (8 children)

    by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Wednesday February 14 2018, @12:21AM (#637362) Journal

    It's right there in the headline: Ride-Hailing.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 14 2018, @12:29AM (4 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 14 2018, @12:29AM (#637366)

    It's right there in the headline: Ride-Hailing.

    That's fine if all you read is the headline. Here's what's in the summary... "carsharing", "ridesharing", "carsharing companies". The more you read, the more you learn.

    • (Score: 2) by frojack on Wednesday February 14 2018, @02:18AM (3 children)

      by frojack (1554) on Wednesday February 14 2018, @02:18AM (#637409) Journal

      The more you read, the more you learn.

      Then for pete sake read ALL THE WAY to the end of the sentence, where you would find that part had nothing to do with ride-hailing, but actually did have a lot to do with car sharing serviced. http://www.zipcar.com/ [zipcar.com]

      There are about a dozen of these shared car services.

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      • (Score: 3, Informative) by NotSanguine on Wednesday February 14 2018, @03:52AM (1 child)

        by NotSanguine (285) <{NotSanguine} {at} {SoylentNews.Org}> on Wednesday February 14 2018, @03:52AM (#637441) Homepage Journal

        Then for pete sake read ALL THE WAY to the end of the sentence, where you would find that part had nothing to do with ride-hailing, but actually did have a lot to do with car sharing serviced. http://www.zipcar.com/ [zipcar.com] [zipcar.com]

        There are about a dozen of these shared car services.

        IIUC, Zipcar is not a "car sharing" service. Rather it's a "car rental" service that specializes in short-term rentals and allows pick up wherever the car has been left by the previous renter.

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        • (Score: 2) by frojack on Wednesday February 14 2018, @09:08PM

          by frojack (1554) on Wednesday February 14 2018, @09:08PM (#637879) Journal

          There is no definition of share which requires no contribution from all sharing partners.

          You seem to be confusing the word Gift or Slavery with the word sharing.

          The actual method of contribution doesn't enter in to it.
           

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 14 2018, @07:40AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 14 2018, @07:40AM (#637506)

        Doh! Do you think car rental companies are sharing their cars or renting their cars?

  • (Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Wednesday February 14 2018, @03:57AM (2 children)

    by Grishnakh (2831) on Wednesday February 14 2018, @03:57AM (#637444)

    The problem with this term is that, just looking at the two words ("ride" + "hailing"), it doesn't really uniquely describe Uber/Lyft. To get a traditional cab, you have to "hail" it, by standing on the curb and raising your arm, and it stops and gives you a ride, hence, "ride-hailing".

    Maybe we'll get lucky and Uber will go out of business (and Travis will go bankrupt), some other better company (or two) will get started as a new competitor to Lyft, and then "Uber" will become a word like "Kleenex" to describe these services.

    • (Score: 2) by takyon on Wednesday February 14 2018, @04:18AM

      by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Wednesday February 14 2018, @04:18AM (#637452) Journal

      It's, uh, virtual ride-hailing. Over the cloud. With an AI pricing algorithm.

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    • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 14 2018, @01:41PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 14 2018, @01:41PM (#637582)

      What’s the problem? “Hail” just means “signal.” You send a signal from your phone to the service so the car knows to pick you up. Traditional taxis have done this for decades via the phone numbers printed all over them using radio dispatchers.

      The only difference — quite literally — is the “with a computer” suffix in the patent application.