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posted by Fnord666 on Thursday February 15 2018, @03:09PM   Printer-friendly
from the the-cost-of-free-speech dept.

From Cleveland.com:

CINCINNATI (AP) -- Kent State University, facing the threat of a lawsuit, reiterated on Friday that it cannot accommodate a request to allow white nationalist Richard Spencer to speak in early May as part of his campus tour.

The university, which is based in Kent but has regional campuses elsewhere in the state, said it had responded to attorney Kyle Bristow reaffirming its earlier response that no suitable space is available for Spencer to speak between April 30 and May 12.

Bristow had told Kent State it had until the end of business Friday to agree to rent space at an "acceptable date and time" or face a lawsuit. Several other schools, including Ohio State University and the University of Cincinnati, are in litigation over Spencer.

Tour organizer Cameron Padgett wanted Spencer to speak at Kent State on the May 4 anniversary of Ohio National Guard shootings that killed four students during anti-war protests in 1970. The university said early May is too busy with activities around the end of the academic year.

Bristow said last year that Spencer planned to speak March 14 on the University of Cincinnati campus, but the university said there was no contract in place, and the two sides are now in a legal standoff over the university's demand for a security fee of nearly $11,000.


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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by insanumingenium on Thursday February 15 2018, @08:07PM (12 children)

    by insanumingenium (4824) on Thursday February 15 2018, @08:07PM (#638408) Journal
    I want to understand your point better, because I fear I may have misunderstood it. Your second survey question

    When asked, would it be legitimate for protesters to crash the event and shout so loud that the speaker can't be heard, a decent proportion of students, again around 40%, said yes, which is again incorrect in the sense that it's illegal, running afoul of the constitutionally protected right to free speech and peaceful assembly.

    Are you trying to say that counter protesters don't have the same right to speech as the person they are protesting? How would one individuals free speech infringe on another's? How is it illegal? Isn't the constitutional protection of free speech to prevent government interference in speech, not private individuals?

    Don't get me wrong, I find such counter protests intolerably rude, and I don't think they are beneficial on the whole, but I can't see how they are any less protected.

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  • (Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Thursday February 15 2018, @09:49PM (8 children)

    by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Thursday February 15 2018, @09:49PM (#638455) Homepage Journal

    Remember when @charlesmurray [twitter.com] -- terrific scholar and one of my biggest fans -- came to Middlebury? The administrators were great, very welcoming. The President introduced him. She said she didn't agree with him. But she wanted him to be HEARD!!!!!!!!

    But some of the students didn't want that, they SHOUTED HIM DOWN. He had to go to a VERY SPECIAL TV studio, he did an interview on Closed Circuit TV. He wanted to talk directly to the audience. You know, in the same room, right? But those HORRIBLE students wouldn't let him, they moved very strongly against him. They tried to shut him down. youtu.be/a6EASuhefeI [youtu.be]

    Let me tell you, there's something they taught me at Wharton, at Penn. That our colleges don't teach any more, it's like they don't teach it. It's called tolerance, folks.

    • (Score: 2) by insanumingenium on Thursday February 15 2018, @10:17PM (6 children)

      by insanumingenium (4824) on Thursday February 15 2018, @10:17PM (#638469) Journal

      You know you are a real soylentil when you get a personalized realDonaldTrump rant. I would love to live in a world where Trump preaches tolerance.

      • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday February 15 2018, @10:22PM (1 child)

        by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Thursday February 15 2018, @10:22PM (#638474) Journal

        Yep. I have no tolerance for intolerant people.

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        • (Score: 2) by insanumingenium on Thursday February 15 2018, @10:36PM

          by insanumingenium (4824) on Thursday February 15 2018, @10:36PM (#638485) Journal

          There are only two things I can't stand in this world: People who are intolerant of other people's cultures, and the Dutch. - Nigel Powers

      • (Score: 4, Informative) by takyon on Thursday February 15 2018, @11:00PM (3 children)

        by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Thursday February 15 2018, @11:00PM (#638509) Journal

        https://factba.se/search#tolerance [factba.se]

        "When we open our hearts to patriotism, there is no room for prejudice, no place for bigotry, and no tolerance for hate."
        - President Donald J. Trump

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        • (Score: 3, Informative) by insanumingenium on Thursday February 15 2018, @11:45PM (2 children)

          by insanumingenium (4824) on Thursday February 15 2018, @11:45PM (#638535) Journal

          I would love few things more than to hear that sentiment from him more often. Though I hardly think 7 or so quotes that search found over his entire life qualify him as a "prince of peace", the rest of the results are about zero tolerance of various things. Even that very quote about inclusiveness in the military was seen as terribly hypocritical being given shortly after stating that transgendered people will not be allowed to serve in the military in any capacity.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 16 2018, @09:10AM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 16 2018, @09:10AM (#638748)

            Face reality. If you send men into combat in a real war and they are captured they will end up in a POW camp. If you send women into combat in a real war and they are captured they will be raped, and then to cover up the war crime, probably shot.
            Given the USA's current list of conflicts transgenders will be raped up the arse until they too loose to use, then summarily executed as a crime against allah.

            • (Score: 2) by insanumingenium on Friday February 16 2018, @04:42PM

              by insanumingenium (4824) on Friday February 16 2018, @04:42PM (#638884) Journal

              So you are saying I shouldn't send soldiers into battle because the enemy won't be nice to them? Really? Also notice his statement was "in any capacity", in other words that includes both combat and non combat roles.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 15 2018, @10:50PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 15 2018, @10:50PM (#638496)

      terrific scholar and one of my biggest fans

      From the realDonald Trump?
      Not what any academic wants on their CV!

  • (Score: 2) by melikamp on Friday February 16 2018, @03:00AM (2 children)

    by melikamp (1886) on Friday February 16 2018, @03:00AM (#638615) Journal
    Noise-blasting is not speech. How can you possibly construe an action whose primare intent and result is the censorship of other's speech as speech?
    • (Score: 2) by insanumingenium on Friday February 16 2018, @04:32PM (1 child)

      by insanumingenium (4824) on Friday February 16 2018, @04:32PM (#638876) Journal

      How is noise blasting any less speech than flag burning? Speech doesn't extend solely to direct verbal or written communication. And I, by my definition of free speech, have to support all speech, whether I agree with it or not. The problem here is you don't censor somebody by shouting over them, you censor them by silencing them, usually with threat or application of force. How exactly do you remove a noise blaster that isn't also censorship? On the other hand, the noise-blasting doesn't involve force.

      • (Score: 2) by melikamp on Friday February 16 2018, @08:54PM

        by melikamp (1886) on Friday February 16 2018, @08:54PM (#639035) Journal

        How is noise blasting any less speech than flag burning?

        Flag burning is quiet, so it does not prevent anyone else from stating their point of view at the same time.