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£10,000 proposed for everyone under 55
The government should give £10,000 to every citizen under 55, a report suggests.
The Royal Society for the encouragement of the Arts, Manufactures and Commerce (RSA) said it could pave the way to everyone getting a basic state wage.
The idea sees two payments of £5,000 paid over two years, but certain state benefits and tax reliefs would be removed at the same time.
The RSA said it would compensate workers for the way jobs are changing.
The money would help to steer UK citizens through the 2020s, "as automation replaces many jobs, climate change hits and more people face balancing employment with social care", the report said.
Also at The Guardian and CNBC.
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UK's Royal Society of Arts Proposes £10,000, 2-Year Basic Income
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Life is to you a dashing and bold adventure.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday February 17 2018, @08:16PM (8 children)
I'm far from rich and seem to get by just fine without a dime of government handouts. If you're having difficulty, I suggest you talk to a CPA about setting you up a thing called a "budget" and then follow it.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by wonkey_monkey on Saturday February 17 2018, @09:16PM (7 children)
Or you could stop making assumptions and being condescending, and see how your idea disenfranchises the worst-off in society.
systemd is Roko's Basilisk
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday February 18 2018, @12:05AM (6 children)
Yes, because all those rights in the constitution and amendments are far less important than the right to live comfortably on money you've done fuck-all to earn.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 18 2018, @04:03AM (3 children)
Fuck you.
Welfare is not "live comfortably" money, it's "basic survival" money. You're arguing against your own illusions. My family has occasionally been on welfare--in the "socialist" Europe, at that--and I gotta tell you, your imagination is ridiculous. With two or three types of welfare and both parents working off-the-book, it's still barely enough to support a family.
(Score: 1, Troll) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday February 18 2018, @12:20PM (2 children)
Of course it is. You're in a socialist nation. Did you expect something other than abject poverty for all?
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 18 2018, @12:58PM (1 child)
Completely missing the point, as usual. I guess this is where you declare the debate "won".
We were *not* in abject poverty. We were poor, sure, but never in danger of starving. We had health insurance. When we couldn't pay essential bills, we could go to the town hall and ask them to cover that. Free education -- me and my siblings all finished a good high-school. Even the bus passes were free.
I'm refuting your point that being on welfare is "comfortable living", you idiot. It's NOT. You're imagining some lavish lifestyle, having fun all day, waiting for the checks to arrive and spending them on luxury items. Sure, there's an occasional exception that manages to cheat the system to live like that, but that's what it is -- an *exception*. Most people on welfare either work hard and just need a little help, or are unable to work at all due to disabilities or something.
But living on welfare is not terrible either, in a socialist country. I'm extremely grateful I wasn't born in the US -- if I was, I'd likely be digging through trash looking for food scraps instead of doing my PhD.
I still fail to understand how you reconcile "abject poverty for all" with "live comfortably on money you've done fuck-all to earn", but I'm sure that's one of those logical arguments you brag about using to win every single debate you're in.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday February 18 2018, @01:27PM
See, this is where the place you're speaking of is important. In the US, our benefits are structured in such a way as to make it far more financially viable to exist on government handouts (if you're eligible) than to work unless you make significantly more than average [learnliberty.org]. It's been that way for long enough that I can only assume that it is a deliberate attempt to keep people dependent on government handouts and thus voting for whoever promises them the most.
In Europe, you're significantly farther down the communist rabbit hole and feeling the effects that communism always brings to any nation it touches. If you want to know your future, have a look at Greece.
Next time do please try to understand that different situations are going to have different circumstances and thus results. You'll sound less foolish.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by wonkey_monkey on Sunday February 18 2018, @07:44PM (1 child)
I can't work out what you're trying to say here.
systemd is Roko's Basilisk
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday February 19 2018, @02:59AM
Beats me. I've slept since then. Looks like I was addressing the ludicrousness of him using the word "disenfranchisement" non-ironically. You know, as if being able to dip your fingers into the pockets of others was in the bill of rights or something.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.