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posted by mrpg on Sunday February 18 2018, @11:06AM   Printer-friendly
from the double-speak dept.

Riana Pfefferkorn, a Cryptography Fellow at the Center for Internet and Society at Stanford Law School, has published a whitepaper on the risks of so-called "responsible encryption". This refers to inclusion of a mechanism for exceptional access by law enforcement to the cleartext content of encrypted messages. It also goes by the names "back door", "key escrow", and "golden key".

Federal law enforcement officials in the United States have recently renewed their periodic demands for legislation to regulate encryption. While they offer few technical specifics, their general proposal—that vendors must retain the ability to decrypt for law enforcement the devices they manufacture or communications their services transmit—presents intractable problems that would-be regulators must not ignore.

However, with all that said, a lot more is said than done. Some others would make the case that active participation is needed in the democratic process by people knowledgeable in use of actual ICT. As RMS has many times pointed out much to the chagrin of more than a few geeks, "geeks like to think that they can ignore politics, you can leave politics alone, but politics won't leave you alone." Again, participation is needed rather than ceding the whole process, and thus its outcome, to the loonies.

Source : New Paper on The Risks of "Responsible Encryption"

Related:
EFF : New National Academy of Sciences Report on Encryption Asks the Wrong Questions
Great, Now There's "Responsible Encryption"


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  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 18 2018, @11:17AM (27 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 18 2018, @11:17AM (#639669)

    Money, as always, will be the determining factor.

    Who has more money? Geeks or the government? And don't forget the stick that dangles the carrot. Governments can coerce businesses to accept "an offer they can't refuse".

    Secure communication has become an oxymoron.

    End of story.

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  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 18 2018, @01:48PM (20 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 18 2018, @01:48PM (#639688)

    Retain existing encryption code (it won't magically vanish), send your own manually encrypted gunk thru unsafe network.

    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Grishnakh on Sunday February 18 2018, @02:19PM (19 children)

      by Grishnakh (2831) on Sunday February 18 2018, @02:19PM (#639703)

      Retain existing encryption code (it won't magically vanish), send your own manually encrypted gunk thru unsafe network.

      Two problems with that idea:

      1. Compatibility: everyone else will be using the "responsible" crypto protocols, so using today's existing code will be about as useful as, oh, sending a PGP-encrypted email to your grandmother. Vendors like Apple will build the FBI-approved stuff into their devices, and block unapproved stuff from their walled garden app stores. So anyone using non-conforming crypto will stick out and be easily detected, and will be very suspicious.

      2. Legality: Non-conforming crypto can be simply banned, and with all the snooping on the internet, pretty easily detected. You'll have to resort to steganography, and the only reason you'd want to go down this route is because you really *are* up to something.

      Realistically, #1 is the most likely scenario. They don't need to ban current crypto, they just need to render it irrelevant by getting current vendors to adopt their preferred backdoored solutions. Criminals/terrorists usually just use stuff that's commonly available. Remember, the San Bernardino shooters had iPhones which the FBI was mad about not being able to easily get into. If Apple had had a backdoor, then they wouldn't have had this problem, and if that were the case, the likelihood that those shooters would have been savvy enough to jailbreak their phone and install some other kind of crypto app and then use that for communications is pretty low.

      The problem is that competent criminal organizations *will* have enough savvy to do that, and then get their members to use it (criminal organizations do have "IT departments" these days), so this stuff would only help the FBI get into the devices of lone wolves and other not-so-competent people. The other problem, of course, is that these backdoors will inevitably get out at some point, and suddenly everyone's encrypted data is now unprotected. There's just no way multiple large organizations can keep this stuff a secret indefinitely.

      • (Score: 4, Informative) by JNCF on Sunday February 18 2018, @02:50PM (9 children)

        by JNCF (4317) on Sunday February 18 2018, @02:50PM (#639716) Journal

        You'll have to resort to steganography, and the only reason you'd want to go down this route is because you really *are* up to something.

        Or because you want privacy in an age where its illegal.

        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Grishnakh on Sunday February 18 2018, @04:39PM (8 children)

          by Grishnakh (2831) on Sunday February 18 2018, @04:39PM (#639735)

          No, because most of the people you want to communicate with aren't willing to jump through the hoops necessary to make that work. How many people do you know now who use GPG encryption for their emails? None? Steganography is a few orders of magnitude more of a PITA to bother with than that, and the bandwidth it provides is pathetic.

          • (Score: 2) by JNCF on Sunday February 18 2018, @09:35PM (2 children)

            by JNCF (4317) on Sunday February 18 2018, @09:35PM (#639820) Journal

            1) Those are technical and socials hurdles of the moment, and they are subject to change.

            2) I sometimes encrypt things that I have no desire to communicate with anybody other than future iterations of myself, as an added security precaution. Private keys and personal notes both sometimes fall into the category. If I am paranoid enough to doubt the security of air-gapped machines (I am) then I can desire privacy through encryption sans communication.

            • (Score: 3, Touché) by Grishnakh on Monday February 19 2018, @02:00AM (1 child)

              by Grishnakh (2831) on Monday February 19 2018, @02:00AM (#639913)

              1) Those are technical and socials hurdles of the moment, and they are subject to change.

              Yeah, I'm sure the general public will drop Facebook and Twitter and Windows 10 and free webmail and all start using Linux and GPG real soon now....

              • (Score: 2) by JNCF on Monday February 19 2018, @02:09PM

                by JNCF (4317) on Monday February 19 2018, @02:09PM (#640086) Journal

                I'm surprised how many people I know are using Android and Signal.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 19 2018, @01:40AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 19 2018, @01:40AM (#639906)

            We can't even get email users to use pgp so how will anything else take off?

          • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Monday February 19 2018, @02:01AM (2 children)

            by JoeMerchant (3937) on Monday February 19 2018, @02:01AM (#639915)

            The fun thing about pathetic bandwidth: people share cat videos all the time, and your average 15 second cat video can conceal hundreds of pages of text very effectively.

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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 19 2018, @01:28PM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 19 2018, @01:28PM (#640072)

              What if you want to share your 4K 60fps cat videos with privacy?

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 19 2018, @01:58PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 19 2018, @01:58PM (#640083)

                Obvious! Embed it in other cat videos!

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 19 2018, @07:23AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 19 2018, @07:23AM (#640009)

            How many people do you know now who use GPG encryption for their emails?

            I know three. Two of them stopped, though. And the other one is me.

      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by JoeMerchant on Sunday February 18 2018, @02:58PM (7 children)

        by JoeMerchant (3937) on Sunday February 18 2018, @02:58PM (#639719)

        anyone using non-conforming crypto will stick out and be easily detected, and will be very suspicious.

        Very true, which is why artful steganography is a valuable skill.

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        • (Score: 2) by Wootery on Monday February 19 2018, @10:57AM (6 children)

          by Wootery (2341) on Monday February 19 2018, @10:57AM (#640048)

          I'm skeptical whether it's true in the first place. There's plenty of random-looking binary data sailing through the intertubes. I would've thought it would be pretty straightforward to disguise an encrypted channel.

          • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Monday February 19 2018, @01:09PM (5 children)

            by JoeMerchant (3937) on Monday February 19 2018, @01:09PM (#640066)

            Data in-flight should be relatively easy to disguise. That non-standard encrypting communication app on your cellphone (after your phone has been confiscated and searched) not so much.

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            • (Score: 2) by Wootery on Monday February 19 2018, @02:39PM (4 children)

              by Wootery (2341) on Monday February 19 2018, @02:39PM (#640098)

              Right, but it's data-in-flight that we're talking about. I don't buy anyone using non-conforming crypto will stick out and be easily detected, and will be very suspicious.

              • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Monday February 19 2018, @03:41PM (3 children)

                by JoeMerchant (3937) on Monday February 19 2018, @03:41PM (#640119)

                Well, this is where the "responsible crypto" debate comes into play:

                anyone using non-conforming crypto will stick out and be easily detected, and will be very suspicious.

                if 99%+ of encrypted data-in-flight is "responsible crypto" then a trawler with the backdoor key can open all of that data-in-flight easily and then the remaining stuff becomes suspicious.

                It's a much better situation (for anonymity and privacy) where data-in-flight is heterogeneous and hard to break...

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                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 19 2018, @08:23PM (2 children)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 19 2018, @08:23PM (#640249)

                  Yup, I haven't kept up enough with the crypto scene, but from what I recall even some of the most heavy duty crypto can be brute forced with enough supercomputing resources. Might take a few days or even longer, but at least that makes it impractical to decrypt everything. Thus you get the push for backdoors, that way sifting through all encrypted data becomes easy and you can prioritize resources for decrypting the messages using "illegal" crypto.

                  It is an arms race that law enforcement simply can not win, and the fight to control humanity results in less freedom for the general public. Even with full access to digital communication the "bad guys" will quickly learn to use methods that make backdoored crypto pointless. Code words, book ciphers, isolated terrorist cells, etc. The only people this is likely to protect us against are the dumb fucks radicalized by the FBI who wouldn't have been a real threat without all the prodding.

                  • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Tuesday February 20 2018, @03:27AM

                    by JoeMerchant (3937) on Tuesday February 20 2018, @03:27AM (#640431)

                    some of the most heavy duty crypto can be brute forced with enough supercomputing resources.

                    Nothing breaks a good one-time-pad - not quantum, not the NSA farm outside Langley, or Bumblefarm, or any of them.

                    Key management is the key. When used properly, Mersenne Twister is a good one-time-pad that is 2^19937 bits long. If you can secretly pass a 2.5KByte key that puts you somewhere specific in that 2^19937 sequence, and scramble up your message so it looks random before applying the pad, then we're done. (If you foolishly try to encrypt a bunch of zeroes with MT as your pad, then it can be broken.)

                    Moreover, if the crackers just don't know _how_ you're using MT as a OTP, that increases the complexity of an already intractable problem by many additional orders of magnitude.

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                  • (Score: 2) by Wootery on Tuesday February 20 2018, @03:27PM

                    by Wootery (2341) on Tuesday February 20 2018, @03:27PM (#640665)

                    even some of the most heavy duty crypto can be brute forced with enough supercomputing resources. Might take a few days or even longer

                    No. From Wikipedia [wikipedia.org]:

                    Fifty supercomputers that could check a billion billion AES keys per second (if such a device could ever be made) would, in theory, require about 3×10^51 years to exhaust the 256-bit key space.

                    It is a practical impossibility to brute-force good crypto. Supercomputers don't help. Custom silicon doesn't help. Patience doesn't help. If you find a critical bug in OpenSSH, or outdo the world's algorithmists and find an efficient algorithm to crack AES256 (the complexity theoretic consequences would be profound), or take a wrench to the guy who knows the password, or maybe if you invent a quantum computer (but even then, maybe not) then you've got a chance, but brute-force isn't on the table.

      • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Sunday February 18 2018, @03:01PM

        by JoeMerchant (3937) on Sunday February 18 2018, @03:01PM (#639721)

        other not-so-competent people.

        So many "mob enforcement" movies fall back on the theme that most gangsters are basically idiots and confess openly to law enforcement. Law enforcement is busy enough collecting these wise-guys that they don't have much bandwidth leftover to try to crack the hard nuts.

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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by NotSanguine on Sunday February 18 2018, @05:19PM (5 children)

    Secure communication has become an oxymoron.

    Really? Here's an encrypted reply (see below) to your assertion, encoded to base64 to ease its display here.

    Please do reply once you've been able to (trivially, if you're correct) decrypt it. Good luck with that!

    hQIMA+IW3S5wXNlHAQ/9GYV1Ud7g8fz4LP9MBB0UQxOj/BE6q00nbR4xo2GLoEzCVC3oqXVO9NbT
    Moi/c4hGkeScImF+eczPBkxlQfVp+WzUXsHjb87smWxScv6MNcT6nxJMZFbKSfhTP1xwFWqoU8Fp
    OvSkLrvkTMj4C0pdTRXs7ZoXcsrapGRTXCN5qZz7blAu+MS4gnk28zsGPZkbzgiV7MAAgiwQzvoQ
    S5ndpgCnxxO+jT63TZ+Psc6dQaK4lVDmQHzJYozzkcyzwJZl3On3MjAs6LL2ChRvtklOzKwoTRwL
    Qc9dR4EYKfFmh5DWpe6pSiQk4dQanU+yUiex4qp4Hypj10IoWvU+yNxqUETbMyfTyDDSXP1yIxrV
    pxQVUwA5xE/HzXAo4W5rxr1eTMMVKmbrYeIsq7y+xLSQUPUbfPoQUWimRfrTZo/KYT7S6gFfyNOG
    78mlg540xpgUDFljScI9FrIAB6gLGefhJBdDy2m7Cpm4di3FS1hYCrM39tPz1iXXsAoKkvaBuySl
    S2de/K1FY8zk/zVZL0FXeQVLNs7igflKobgo/bpbUnlr5O6h60g8UOv9D7l9RcSB/1ItE94f6EQP
    MVBpjiVqufm1NkvY7VephT0CiP05OMFdecth85/IOYxoeyzA6h5B4nkXUYFVhU75ntppoS9Id6rs
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    fZOdhrs9TP9kXd01gK2Jxvw1TGgQ/R2oHuqENUZnw1eHKZhxJHL6lYfPVoFCzTj/z4vNa0BqetCI
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    BvcbnJGW/UY25odQ7z6SNyD16ulbA4U=

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 18 2018, @05:25PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 18 2018, @05:25PM (#639745)

      mlm

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 18 2018, @06:04PM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 18 2018, @06:04PM (#639762)

      Here's an encrypted reply (see below) to your assertion, encoded to base64 to ease its display here.
      Please do reply once you've been able to (trivially, if you're correct) decrypt it. Good luck with that!

      Here you go: "Be Sure To Drink Your Ovaltine."

      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by NotSanguine on Sunday February 18 2018, @06:24PM (2 children)

        Thanks! You made my point for me.

        Secure communication requires that those for whom such communications are intended have access to the means of encryption/decryption.

        As long as those folks are the *only* ones with those means, communication *can* be secure.

        Despite what others may think or blather on about, secure communications are not only possible, but actually happen all the time.

        What's more, even having the *decrypted* version of such a message doesn't necessarily compromise those means.

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        • (Score: 4, Interesting) by frojack on Sunday February 18 2018, @09:06PM (1 child)

          by frojack (1554) on Sunday February 18 2018, @09:06PM (#639811) Journal

          Despite what others may think or blather on about, secure communications are not only possible, but actually happen all the time.

          Sure, even SoylentNews uses TLS as a default. Technically it meets your definition of encryption. Is it secure? Chuckle.....

          My email mua is set up to use opportunistic encryption when ever it can. For mMaybe 5 people I know, this works all the time, every time. For the others, they ask me to resent every once in a while because they can't figure out how to get GPG/PGP working on their iPhone or their tablet. or some new toy, and they are away from their main computer.

          Every secure texting platform has been cracked. Some directly by decrypting the transmission, others by compromising the servers or device it runs on.

          So, NO secure communications do NOT happen all the time. The illusion of secure communication is alive and well, at least among some.

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          • (Score: 3, Insightful) by NotSanguine on Sunday February 18 2018, @11:08PM

            Despite what others may think or blather on about, secure communications are not only possible, but actually happen all the time.

            Sure, even SoylentNews uses TLS as a default. Technically it meets your definition of encryption. Is it secure? Chuckle.....

            My email mua is set up to use opportunistic encryption when ever it can. For mMaybe 5 people I know, this works all the time, every time. For the others, they ask me to resent every once in a while because they can't figure out how to get GPG/PGP working on their iPhone or their tablet. or some new toy, and they are away from their main computer.

            Every secure texting platform has been cracked. Some directly by decrypting the transmission, others by compromising the servers or device it runs on.

            So, NO secure communications do NOT happen all the time. The illusion of secure communication is alive and well, at least among some.

            Your points are certainly valid ones. I do however, disagree with your conclusion.

            What is secure communication [wikipedia.org]?

            Secure communication is when two entities are communicating and do not want a third party to listen in. For that they need to communicate in a way not susceptible to eavesdropping or interception.[1][2] Secure communication includes means by which people can share information with varying degrees of certainty that third parties cannot intercept what was said. Other than spoken face-to-face communication with no possible eavesdropper, it is probably safe to say that no communication is guaranteed secure in this sense, although practical obstacles such as legislation, resources, technical issues (interception and encryption), and the sheer volume of communication serve to limit surveillance.

            So yes, the idea that communication can be compromised in most circumstances is absolutely correct. As to the practicality of compromising communication that uses tools that make confidentiality (whispering, hand signals, encryption -- both of content and communications channels, etc., etc.) and/or integrity (face-to-face meetings, recognition signals, handwriting, digital signatures, etc.), that's pretty varied, depending on the methods and mechanisms of such "secure" communication.

            However, the likelihood of a compromise in inversely proportional to the quality of the security mechanisms *and* the effort used to apply them. Given the state of current knowledge and technology, I'm very comfortable saying that communications that *aren't* compromised (hence secure) happen all the time. Perhaps that's splitting hairs, but if so, that's a pretty important hair to split IMHO.

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