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posted by martyb on Sunday February 18 2018, @03:48PM   Printer-friendly
from the off-base-transactions dept.

[Update] There have been new developments to this story:

According to Techcrunch:

Yesterday, we wrote that Coinbase customers were being charged multiple times for past transactions.

While some speculated that the erroneous withdraws were down to a Coinbase engineering issue, Coinbase issued a statement saying it wasn’t liable for the duplicate charges. The blame, instead, rested with Visa for the way it handled a migration of merchant categories for cryptocurrencies, Coinbase said.

While you can read my post yesterday for an in-depth description of what happened, the basic gist is that about a month of old transactions were refunded and recharged under a different merchant category. Many users saw the recharge come through before the refund processed, making it look like they were double charged. Honestly, the issue was likely exacerbated by existing payment rails — it’s normal for refunds to take multiple days to show up on credit and debit statements.

Here is the joint statement by Visa and Worldpay (Coinbase):

Over the last two days, some customers who used a credit or debit card at Coinbase may have seen duplicate transactions posted to their cardholder accounts.

This issue was not caused by Coinbase.

Worldpay and Coinbase have been working with Visa and Visa issuing banks to ensure that the duplicate transactions have been reversed and appropriate credits have been posted to cardholder accounts. All reversal transactions have now been issued, and should appear on customers’ credit card and debit card accounts within the next few days. We believe the majority of these reversals have already posted to accounts. If you continue to have problems with your credit or debit card account after this reversal period, including issues relating to card fees or charges, we encourage you to contact your card issuing bank.

We deeply regret any inconvenience this may have caused customers.

The original story follows below.

A growing number of Coinbase customers are complaining that the cryptocurrency exchange withdrew unauthorized money out of their accounts. In some cases, this drained their linked bank accounts below zero, resulting in overdraft charges.

In a typical anecdote posted on Reddit, one user said they purchased Bitcoin, Ether, and Litecoin for a total of $300 on February 9th. A few days later, the transactions repeated five times for a total of $1,500, even though the user had not made any more purchases. That was enough to clear out this user's bank account, they said, resulting in fees.

"My bank account went from very comfortable to negatives balance, not to mention extra $5 charges, and overdraft fees," the user wrote. "As a result my rent check bounced, and my bank went further into negative for a NSF charge for $25. My landlord is not a nice person and is on my CASE and I have nothing to offer him. I am FREAKING OUT."

Coinbase representatives have been responding to similar complaints on Reddit for about two weeks, but the volume of complaints seems to have spiked over the last 24 hours. Similar complaints have popped up on forums and Twitter.

Source: The Verge


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  • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Monday February 19 2018, @05:25AM (1 child)

    by FatPhil (863) <{pc-soylent} {at} {asdf.fi}> on Monday February 19 2018, @05:25AM (#639979) Homepage
    Well, yes, the take away from this is:
    a) the old payment systems are broken, perhaps by design;
    b) the new ones aren't any better - bitcoin is now practically useless as a means of payment.
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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 19 2018, @06:09PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 19 2018, @06:09PM (#640174)

    The blockchain payment technologies are absolutely a WIP. Bitcoin's been working with various scaling systems (Lightning being the most in the news lately), and other systems that go about things differently are being experimented with. Ripple, for instance, seems to have few if any issues of scaling, to the extent that American Express and Santander make regular use of it. That said, there are other drawbacks (for some, anyway), considering it's not really a decentralized, masses-oriented project.

    Anyone who was thinking this cryptocurrency thing has run its course likely has another thing coming; the systems we're seeing today are barely out of alpha. As to whether or not they ever actually achieve their goals...well, we may need to let Darwin decide.

    As for what works for inves^h^h^h^h^hspeculators, that may be an entirely different matter to address.