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A federal grand jury in Washington, DC has indicted 13 Russian nationals and a Kremlin-linked internet firm on charges that they had meddled in the 2016 presidential election.
The US government said Russian entities began interfering in US political processes, including the 2016 presidential election, as early as 2014, according to a court document.
[...] The charges – which include conspiracy, wire fraud, bank fraud and aggravated identity theft – are the most direct allegations to date of illegal Russian meddling in the election.
Link to the Indictment: https://www.justice.gov/file/1035477/download
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Mueller Investigation: Thirteen Russians Charged With Interfering in US Election
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(Score: 5, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Monday February 19 2018, @06:35PM (21 children)
Maybe you can be a little more specific with your accusation. Which part of our constitution permits us to support our corporations when they meddle in overseas politics? Are you suggesting that the Corporate States of America needs my support when they are subjecting foreign nationals to conditions comparable to slavery? I should come to the defense of corporate boards and CEO's who use people and throw them away? How about Apple, and their infamous factory, where workers go in, work 12 hour shifts (or more) then doss down in some shabby company provided room - with twenty other workers. In the Caribbean, we should support a corporation that forms it's own mercenary army to overthrow foreing governments?
Defend the constitution? Karma is a bitch, man. It really sucks. When you figure out how to defeat that ancient Hindu concept of karma, let me know.
Again - what goes around, often comes around. Not that Russia's attempts at meddling in our election had any observable consequences. Or, are you going to claim that Hillary would have won, without Russian meddling? Dude - don't drink any more of the Kool-Aid. Just walk away from the punch bowl, and think for yourself, alright? The most observable set back for the democrats were the result of democrats. Specifically, HRC and Schultz' conspiracy to manipulate the DNC, and to stab Bernie in the back. Democrats revolted, either voting Republican, or voting third party, or simply by not voting.
I've said it before, and I'll repeat it here: If Sanders had won the nomination, he very well may have won the election. I'm not a Sanders supporter, but that man was far less objectionable than either HRC or Trump. He was the better choice than either of the pompous asses who got the nominations.
Don't even try to pull that Oathkeeper shit on me, Monkeyman. I didn't follow orders blindly when I was in uniform, and I won't allow some damned fool to give me orders today, based on his interpretation of the constitution.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 19 2018, @06:53PM (12 children)
Ah yes, the rare day when I stand by Runaway. Hmmm, that sentence seems a little odd!
(Score: 1, Troll) by DeathMonkey on Monday February 19 2018, @07:07PM (8 children)
Russia and this AC are totally fine with Russian government agents committing crimes to interfere with our elections.
(Score: 3, Troll) by frojack on Monday February 19 2018, @07:38PM (2 children)
Except there were no allegations of Russian Government involvement in the indictment.
If you could follow the money, it would probably lead back to George Solos.
No, you are mistaken. I've always had this sig.
(Score: 2) by black6host on Monday February 19 2018, @09:29PM
Yeah, and George has a lot of money. Those damned red beer drinking cups, I bet it's a very profitable business! :)
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 20 2018, @02:01AM
Who is the Internet Research Agency [wikipedia.org]?
I''l give you a hint, they're not affiliated with the Boy Scouts of America.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 19 2018, @07:42PM (1 child)
Some of these supposed "crimes" are very weak. They trolled on Facebook with a few ad buys and some fake groups to try to cause outrage. That was Butterfly effect level shit.
If they hacked the DNC or Podesta rather than an insider, then that had a greater impact. Too bad none of the Russians charged will be seeing time in an American prison unless they are braindead.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 19 2018, @09:19PM
Braindead includes travelling to a country in the US sphere of influence. Russian citizens have been rendered to the US from places like Thailand and the Mauritius. More recently there was an incident in Czechia, but I recall there was a bit of resistance there. Looks like there is still a bit of independence left in Eastern Europe.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 19 2018, @07:51PM (1 child)
Lol, sorry DeathMonkey you're yelling at the wrong people. I've paid attention to Runaway's posts, and while a crapload of propaganda crap comes out of him so does quite a bit of human decency. As much as I hate some conservative politics I am forced to remember that even the people I disagree with are actually pretty decent human beings and if you threw them into real situations I think Runaway, TMB, maybe even Khallow and Frojack would help anyone out regardless of race or creed.
Runaway simply pointed out the typical line that most liberals would repeat, that karma is a bitch and the US fully deserves to be fucked with. That doesn't mean they think it is OK, I certainly don't, but I can appreciate the irony. Runaway already replied before you posted what I'm replying to, so if I was to make a guess you're just releasing some pent up anger at the nearest target and you should probably apologize with something like "sorry it just sounded like you were happy with the outcome because it got Trump elected, glad I was wrong."
Don't fall for the divisive tactics, because above all else that is the primary motivation behind the Russian trolls. Divide the country to reduce the effectiveness of the US. While letting out your righteous anger don't forget that we're all in the same boat. We're ALL afraid of the jackbooted thugs coming in and ruining our lives, thought liberals and conservatives have pretty different reasons behind their fear.
So remember, "Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering."
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 19 2018, @07:56PM
^ AC you replied to
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 19 2018, @09:40PM
Crimes? You're quite deluded.
(Score: 3, Funny) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday February 19 2018, @09:30PM (2 children)
It's a weird feeling, isn't it? Even a stopped clock is right twice a day though.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 20 2018, @03:56AM (1 child)
I think you've used that one before. Use this as a bridge to your fellow human. I mean really, compare runaway to some of the more obvious goose steppers round here.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday February 20 2018, @04:09AM
Yeah, that's the hell of it...he's not a sociopath like J-Mo or Uzzard. He could possibly still be saved and redeem himself as a normal human being, but he's so completely in love with this idea he has that he's "asocial" (read: he's an invincible monolith) that it's probably not going to happen :(
The irony is that he's shot full of cracks and tends to explode violently on completely unexpected things. That doesn't sound like any invincible monolith of a man to me. And frankly after some of the shit he's said and done, I'm not going to lose sleep over him volunteering himself for the Solipsism All-Stars.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by bob_super on Monday February 19 2018, @07:34PM (4 children)
> HRC and Schultz' conspiracy to manipulate the DNC, and to stab Bernie in the back.
> Democrats revolted, either voting Republican, or voting third party, or simply by not voting.
And how did we suddenly all learn about the business-as-usual internal backstabbing, which played no small part in her defeat ?
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Nerdfest on Monday February 19 2018, @08:38PM (1 child)
People didn't learn from the leaks, it was quite clear from the start. The leaks confirmed, but by that point it hardly made news.
(Score: 2) by bob_super on Thursday February 22 2018, @02:29AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections#Cyberattack_and_email_leaks [wikipedia.org]
I'm not sure in which county it "hardly made news", but the leaked emails weren't exactly a footnote in the campaign.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 19 2018, @11:27PM (1 child)
Seth Rich, a DNC employee, leaked the info to wikileaks.
Seth Rich was a decently patriotic American, though obviously clueless about some of the fundamental American values. The road to Hell is paved with good intentions. The fact that Seth Rich's political choices would turn the USA into something like Venezuela does not change the fact that he meant well. Seth Rich adored Bernie. After the DNC supported Hillary in screwing over Bernie, Seth Rich leaked the dirt.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 20 2018, @05:43AM
That's rich! [wikipedia.org] (pun intended).
Is that you, Alex Jones?
(Score: 2, Informative) by khallow on Monday February 19 2018, @07:40PM (2 children)
The ability to create treaties for the entirety of the US and the Commerce Clause, for example. The Constitution gives a fairly broad latitude to meddle in other countries, even for the sake of US businesses.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 20 2018, @08:58AM (1 child)
Can we just lynch the entirety of our federal government, please?
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday February 20 2018, @09:47PM
Yes. It's time for all of them to go.
Washington DC delenda est.