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posted by Fnord666 on Monday February 19 2018, @05:43PM   Printer-friendly
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A federal grand jury in Washington, DC has indicted 13 Russian nationals and a Kremlin-linked internet firm on charges that they had meddled in the 2016 presidential election.

The US government said Russian entities began interfering in US political processes, including the 2016 presidential election, as early as 2014, according to a court document.

[...] The charges – which include conspiracy, wire fraud, bank fraud and aggravated identity theft – are the most direct allegations to date of illegal Russian meddling in the election.

Video - http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/us-election-2016-russia-robert-mueller-investigation-fbi-latest-updates-a8214651.html

Link to the Indictment: https://www.justice.gov/file/1035477/download


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  • (Score: 5, Informative) by meustrus on Monday February 19 2018, @10:15PM (4 children)

    by meustrus (4961) on Monday February 19 2018, @10:15PM (#640303)

    That's kind of how federal charges work. They pick bad guys, then find whatever they can to charge them with. Sometimes all they can do is "lying to a federal agent", when the federal agent was the investigator looking for evidence of a different crime.

    This is not to say that they don't get actual bad guys this way. Most organized crime bosses and white collar criminals have covered their asses well enough that there isn't enough evidence to convict them for the crimes they actually committed.

    In this case, though, these charges are most likely intended to be leverage to get them to cooperate as witnesses against a bigger target. This investigation is not over.

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  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 19 2018, @11:20PM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 19 2018, @11:20PM (#640327)

    These are Russians in Russia, obviously not going to cooperate with anything.

    You're expecting a bigger target? What, should we charge Putin? Sure. We'll just send the FBI over to arrest him in the Kremlin.

    Or are you still clinging to some hopeless Trump-related fantasy? You must love Pence, because that wouldn't give you Bernie or even Hillary. You get Pence. Pence, Pence, Pence, glorious Pence, wonderful Pence!

    • (Score: 4, Interesting) by meustrus on Tuesday February 20 2018, @01:34AM (1 child)

      by meustrus (4961) on Tuesday February 20 2018, @01:34AM (#640387)

      I’m not hoping for anything but knowing the truth. Anyway, since impeachment is the process for removing the President, and even this relatively fast-paced investigation [fivethirtyeight.com] is unlikely to wrap up before the 2018 midterm makes impeachment politically possible.

      And before you try to tell me the Republicans will keep Congress, remember that the minority party almost always makes huge gains in the midterms. It’s just as likely as the opposition winning a presidential election without an incumbent.

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      • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 20 2018, @03:10AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 20 2018, @03:10AM (#640422)

        It happens to be that lots of the senate seats up for reelection are currently held by democrats in areas that voted for Trump. In 2018, the republicans can't lose seats that are elected in 2014/2020 or in 2016/2022.

        This oddity makes a gain in the senate probable. The republicans are likely to gain an additional seat or two.

        Democrats will probably gain lots of seats in the house, but not enough to flip control. Democrats are way behind in the house.

  • (Score: 1) by DeVilla on Wednesday February 21 2018, @01:32AM

    by DeVilla (5354) on Wednesday February 21 2018, @01:32AM (#640978)

    Most organized crime bosses and white collar criminals have covered their asses well enough that there isn't enough evidence to convict them for the crimes they actually committed.

    Problem is, the same is also true of innocent people.