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posted by janrinok on Tuesday February 20 2018, @08:03AM   Printer-friendly
from the newer-is-not-necessarily-better dept.

The Intercept reports

The nation's secretaries of state gathered for a multi-day National Association of Secretaries of State (NASS) conference in Washington, D.C., this weekend, with cybersecurity on the mind.

Panels and lectures centered around the integrity of America's election process, with the federal probe into alleged Russian government attempts to penetrate voting systems a frequent topic of discussion.

[...] One way to allay concerns about the integrity of electronic voting machine infrastructure, however, is to simply not use it. Over the past year, a number of states are moving back towards the use of paper ballots or at least requiring a paper trail of votes cast.

For instance, Pennsylvania just moved to require all voting systems to keep a paper record of votes cast. Prior to last year's elections in Virginia, the commonwealth's board of elections voted to decertify paperless voting machines--voters statewide instead voted the old-fashioned way, with paper ballots.

[...] Oregon is one of two states in the country to require its residents to vote by mail, a system that was established via referendum in 1998. [Oregon Secretary of State Dennis] Richardson argued that this old-fashioned system offers some of the best defense there is against cyber interference.

"We're using paper and we're never involved with the Internet. The Internet is not involved at all until there's an announcement by each of our 36 counties to [the capital] Salem of what the results are and then that's done orally and through a confirmation e-mail and the county clerks in each of the counties are very careful to ensure that the numbers that actually are posted are the ones that they have," he said. "Oregon's in a pretty unique situation."

[...] In New Hampshire, the state uses a hybrid system that includes both paper ballots and machines that electronically count paper ballots with a paper trail.

Karen Ladd, the assistant secretary of state for New Hampshire, touted the merits of the system to The Intercept. "We do a lot of recounts, and you can only have a recount with a paper ballot. You can't do a recount with a machine!" she said.

America's paper ballot states may seem antiquated to some, but our neighbors to the north have used paper ballots for federal elections for their entire history. Thanks to an army of officials at 25,000 election stations, the integrity of Canada's elections is never in doubt.


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  • (Score: 5, Interesting) by canopic jug on Tuesday February 20 2018, @11:53AM (3 children)

    by canopic jug (3949) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday February 20 2018, @11:53AM (#640594) Journal

    You mean the electoral college? The whole raison d'etre of the electoral college was an admission that the voting public is stupid and don't know what they want, so they should nominate a proxy who will do the actual voting for president for them. The level of trust is total, and the trustworthiness in reality is almost zero.

    In theory the Electoral College should have kicked in back in 2016. That was a textbook use-case. However, for ages and ages the electoral college members have been appointed from narrow pools in either party: only the most dogmatic, loyal, and synchophantic party members are sent. The result shortcircuits the designated purpose of the electoral college. There's not really a way around that if the electors are not operating in good faith, and they've proven they're not. However, there are several possible tweaks to work around that [usatoday.com], if they could (or would) ever be voted through.

    The voting process has been getting successively worse every cycle [theguardian.com] for decades now. Even what should be a simple process of counting votes is and remains a fiasco, with NO WAY TO REPRODUCE OR VALIDATE THE RESULTS in any state, especially those that use machines to receive or tally votes [defcon.org]. It is almost as if both parties eagerly facilitate outside influence from many directions. Partial audits, like the one sponsored by Jill Stein in 2016, show that the results cannot be reproduced. So for all practical purposes the numbers are made up [foreignpolicy.com].

    It's not a new problem. I remember the arguments online even before Bush II was appointed. My frustration has become not as much that the problems with the process exist, it's that for over 20 years they have been made only worse and worse. However, equally important as using paper-based voting are both the ability and desire to carry out the process competently. Outrageously, both ability and desire are lacking [bridgemi.com] even when paper ballots are used.

    TFA is about paper ballots. They are an essential foundation in a free and fair election. Same for hand counting. It's a first step, but only a first step.

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  • (Score: 2) by curunir_wolf on Tuesday February 20 2018, @09:09PM (2 children)

    by curunir_wolf (4772) on Tuesday February 20 2018, @09:09PM (#640853)

    In theory the Electoral College should have kicked in back in 2016. That was a textbook use-case.

    Well it could have been, sure. But the leader of the international criminal conspiracy that was selling influence to the highest bidder ended up losing anyway, so it was unnecessary to override the vote.

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    • (Score: 2) by canopic jug on Wednesday February 21 2018, @06:17AM

      by canopic jug (3949) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday February 21 2018, @06:17AM (#641053) Journal

      The electoral college had more than the choice between two styles of crook. Their task was to pick a president from the suitable candidates and they did not.

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    • (Score: 2) by dry on Thursday February 22 2018, @04:12AM

      by dry (223) on Thursday February 22 2018, @04:12AM (#641615) Journal

      From my reading of the Federalist papers, the electoral collage is supposed to be non-political, as in not politicians (and no parties then either), and choose the best statesman for the job. Note that originally the second place winner became Vice-President.