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posted by janrinok on Tuesday February 20 2018, @08:03AM   Printer-friendly
from the newer-is-not-necessarily-better dept.

The Intercept reports

The nation's secretaries of state gathered for a multi-day National Association of Secretaries of State (NASS) conference in Washington, D.C., this weekend, with cybersecurity on the mind.

Panels and lectures centered around the integrity of America's election process, with the federal probe into alleged Russian government attempts to penetrate voting systems a frequent topic of discussion.

[...] One way to allay concerns about the integrity of electronic voting machine infrastructure, however, is to simply not use it. Over the past year, a number of states are moving back towards the use of paper ballots or at least requiring a paper trail of votes cast.

For instance, Pennsylvania just moved to require all voting systems to keep a paper record of votes cast. Prior to last year's elections in Virginia, the commonwealth's board of elections voted to decertify paperless voting machines--voters statewide instead voted the old-fashioned way, with paper ballots.

[...] Oregon is one of two states in the country to require its residents to vote by mail, a system that was established via referendum in 1998. [Oregon Secretary of State Dennis] Richardson argued that this old-fashioned system offers some of the best defense there is against cyber interference.

"We're using paper and we're never involved with the Internet. The Internet is not involved at all until there's an announcement by each of our 36 counties to [the capital] Salem of what the results are and then that's done orally and through a confirmation e-mail and the county clerks in each of the counties are very careful to ensure that the numbers that actually are posted are the ones that they have," he said. "Oregon's in a pretty unique situation."

[...] In New Hampshire, the state uses a hybrid system that includes both paper ballots and machines that electronically count paper ballots with a paper trail.

Karen Ladd, the assistant secretary of state for New Hampshire, touted the merits of the system to The Intercept. "We do a lot of recounts, and you can only have a recount with a paper ballot. You can't do a recount with a machine!" she said.

America's paper ballot states may seem antiquated to some, but our neighbors to the north have used paper ballots for federal elections for their entire history. Thanks to an army of officials at 25,000 election stations, the integrity of Canada's elections is never in doubt.


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  • (Score: 2) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Tuesday February 20 2018, @09:51PM (7 children)

    by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us (6553) on Tuesday February 20 2018, @09:51PM (#640870) Journal

    OK. You get rid of the machine. You do paper ballots. Is everyone going to count every single ballot by hand? You can do that, if you're willing to foot the HR expenses involved, but is anyone seriously questioning the use of tabulation machines? (Even if you use volunteer counters, there are still paid invidiuals in the process).

    Developing a secure system of voting machines is possible. But not if one isn't going to pay for the security.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 20 2018, @11:04PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 20 2018, @11:04PM (#640921)

    Yes. As mentioned in TFS, Canada has done it that way since Day 1.
    When all the poll workers|witnesses agree on the count, the results are posted.
    It Just Works(tm). No need to change anything.

    Certainly no need for added expense or added uncertainty.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 21 2018, @01:11AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 21 2018, @01:11AM (#640967)

    This is how it works in my district. Hire some high schoolers, pay them $100 to work alongside the volunteers and party reps. Good pay for an evenings work for a few kids, everything gets counted by hand under supervision, and it works quite well.

  • (Score: 2) by Immerman on Wednesday February 21 2018, @04:45AM (4 children)

    by Immerman (3985) on Wednesday February 21 2018, @04:45AM (#641040)

    Hmm - secure paper ballots counted by hand requires
            a handful of unskilled people counting for a day for every few thousand ballots

    Secure electronic voting requires
            a troupe of multi-party IT experts capable of thoroughly auditing *every* voting or ballot-counting machine in the days before the election, right down to the internal microcode on the CPU and other micro-controllers. All working at all times in teams of no less than two members loyal to opposing-parties, since non-expert observers would be virtually useless in detecting tampering or willful negligence.
            constant unbroken multi-party security for every machine from the moment of the audit until the final count is publicly declared

    I think the manual count is liable to come out substantially cheaper.

           

    • (Score: 2) by MostCynical on Wednesday February 21 2018, @04:56AM (3 children)

      by MostCynical (2589) on Wednesday February 21 2018, @04:56AM (#641044) Journal

      You forgot the cost of the machinesthe cost pf transporting and installing the machines, and any issues with power or access

      With paper, all you need is a dry place and some pencils, so moving the location in an emergency is also far easier.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 21 2018, @08:56AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 21 2018, @08:56AM (#641080)

        An indelible marker would make the marks less prone to tampering.
        ...but you weren't far off the mark.

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      • (Score: 2) by Immerman on Thursday February 22 2018, @04:19AM (1 child)

        by Immerman (3985) on Thursday February 22 2018, @04:19AM (#641619)

        Nope. Just figured I'd compare them straight on human costs. Then all other costs only further damn an already irredeemable concept.