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KDE e.V. is announcing today it has received a donation of 200,000 USD from the Pineapple Fund.
With this donation, the Pineapple Fund recognizes that KDE as a community creates software which benefits the general public, advances the use of Free Software on all kinds of platforms, and protects users' privacy by putting first-class and easy to use tools in the hands of the people at zero cost. KDE joins a long list of prestigious charities, organizations and communities that the Pineapple Fund has so generously donated to.
"KDE is immensely grateful for this donation. We would like to express our deeply felt appreciation towards the Pineapple Fund for their generosity" said Lydia Pintscher, President of KDE e.V.. "We will use the funds to further our cause to make Free Software accessible to everyone and on all platforms. The money will help us realize our vision of creating a world in which everyone has control over their digital life and enjoys freedom and privacy".
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Wednesday February 21 2018, @07:20PM (8 children)
So you are all for user choice as long as it is not Gnome 3? MATE, which is a reasonably popular desktop environment, is also powered by Gnome 3, but you wouldn't guess to look at it. Not everyone wants to waste CPU cycles on bling, wobbly displays or whatever. Those that just want to get a job done can use whatever tool they think is the best. Or is that not 'choice' in your book?
(Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Wednesday February 21 2018, @08:27PM (7 children)
By almost all accounts, GNOME3 is the slowest of all the DEs. How does it manage that while having fewer features than everything else?
I'm all for user choice, period. I'm against one group pushing their junk on everyone else using money and politics.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Thursday February 22 2018, @07:48AM (6 children)
Please read what I wrote: the Gnome3 Library is ok
The Gnome 3 environment might be, as you say, the slowest; I will accept that claim although you haven't shown anything to support your assertion. But MATE, which now uses the Gnome 3 library, is much quicker. I suggest that the writers of the Gnome 3 desktop environment need to pull their fingers out - it isn't the fault of the library.
I often use QT for my programs but I can write good fast programs or crap slow programs with the same tools.
So are you arguing that KDE shouldn't accept the donation from Pineapple?
(Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Thursday February 22 2018, @03:22PM (5 children)
Please read what I wrote: the Gnome3 Library is ok
You keep calling it that, but its real name is "Gtk3". And no, by many accounts, it's not OK at all. There's a reason that not one, but *two* DEs have switched from Gtk3 to Qt: LxDE switched a while ago, and Budgie has announced they're moving very soon. Qt is a much better library for cross-platform and GUI development, and it has actual documentation, and parts of it aren't deprecated on a whim by the devs like Gtk3 does on a regular basis, so it's a much more stable platform for developing application programs.
Whether Gtk3 is to blame for Gnome3 being slow is debatable. Likely not to a huge extent, but LxDE (now LxQt) did report a small performance increase when they switched.
So are you arguing that KDE shouldn't accept the donation from Pineapple?
Are you seriously equating a relatively paltry (but appreciated) $200k donation to the continued years-long (more than a decade and a half now) full-time employment of many devs by Red Hat? Do you have any idea what the fully-loaded yearly cost of a software engineer is these days? And don't forget the effect of multi-billion-dollar Red Hat actively pushing Gnome3 as a vendor.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Thursday February 22 2018, @06:19PM (4 children)
I feel that your argument is based on nothing more than personal preference - which is OK. If you like Qt then good for you. I use it too. But sometimes I prefer other libraries because they do the better job under different circumstances. Both Qt and Gtk3 need to be used correctly, and being an expert in one doesn't make you any good in another. When someone who is competent with a specific library and interface writes software they can produce something that is very good.
Anecdotal data does not make a convincing argument. I can claim that some people think that black is white - it doesn't make it true.
(Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Thursday February 22 2018, @06:31PM (3 children)
When two fairly major desktop environments switch away from one toolkit to a different one, citing the same factors, that's all the argument I need. It's certainly worth a lot more than some forum poster who's never made a DE or anything else of significance.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Thursday February 22 2018, @06:37PM (2 children)
(Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Thursday February 22 2018, @06:51PM (1 child)
No, but I do know, as I've said 2 times now, that two fairly major DEs have done just as I said. You haven't offered anything to the contrary, other than some vague "any tool is good as long as you know how to use it" type talk.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Thursday February 22 2018, @07:40PM