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posted by Fnord666 on Friday February 23 2018, @11:28PM   Printer-friendly
from the neolithic-brexit dept.

Arthur T Knackerbracket has found the following story:

The ancient population of Britain was almost completely replaced by newcomers about 4,500 years ago, a study shows.

The findings mean modern Britons trace just a small fraction of their ancestry to the people who built Stonehenge.

The astonishing result comes from analysis of DNA extracted from 400 ancient remains across Europe.

The mammoth study, published in Nature, suggests the newcomers, known as Beaker people, replaced 90% of the British gene pool in a few hundred years.

Lead author Prof David Reich, from Harvard Medical School in Cambridge, US, said: "The magnitude and suddenness of the population replacement is highly unexpected."

The reasons remain unclear, but climate change, disease and ecological disaster could all have played a role.

People in Britain lived by hunting and gathering until agriculture was introduced from continental Europe about 6,000 years ago. These Neolithic farmers, who traced their origins to Anatolia (modern Turkey) built giant stone (or "megalithic") structures such as Stonehenge in Wiltshire, huge Earth mounds and sophisticated settlements such as Skara Brae in the Orkneys.

But towards the end of the Neolithic, about 4,450 years ago, a new way of life spread to Britain from Europe. People began burying their dead with stylised bell-shaped pots, copper daggers, arrowheads, stone wrist guards and distinctive perforated buttons.

Co-author Dr Carles Lalueza-Fox, from the Institute of Evolutionary Biology (IBE) in Barcelona, Spain, said the Beaker traditions probably started "as a kind of fashion" in Iberia after 5,000 years ago.

From here, the culture spread very fast by word of mouth to Central Europe. After it was adopted by people in Central Europe, it exploded in every direction - but through the movement of people.

Prof Reich told BBC News: "Archaeologists ever since the Second World War have been very sceptical about proposals of large-scale movements of people in prehistory. But what the genetics are showing - with the clearest example now in Britain at Beaker times - is that these large-scale migrations occurred, even after the spread of agriculture."

[...] The Nature study examines the Beaker phenomenon across Europe using DNA from hundreds more samples, including remains from Holland, Spain, the Czech Republic, Italy and France.

Another intriguing possibility links the Beaker people with the spread of Celtic languages. Although many linguistics experts believe Celtic spread thousands of years later, Dr Lalueza-Fox said: "In my view, the massive population turnover must be accompanied by a language replacement."


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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 24 2018, @01:50AM (17 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 24 2018, @01:50AM (#642812)

    Drastically overgeneralizing at best. Incoherent at worst.

    Garbage -- the only thing incoherent here is your argument!

    "Hunting large game at close range is perilous, and Neanderthal skeletons bear copious fractures. Dr. Kuhn and Dr. Stiner argue that Neanderthal women and children took part in the dangerous hunts, probably as beaters and blockers of exit routes."

    You quoted this passage stating exactly what I stated and then begin arguing with me? The passage you yourself copied and pasted 100% confirms my original statement. You are arguing against your own evidence, I said no more or no less than what the statement you presented offers. WTF dude?

  • (Score: 2) by Arik on Saturday February 24 2018, @01:59AM (16 children)

    by Arik (4543) on Saturday February 24 2018, @01:59AM (#642818) Journal
    "Hunting large game at close range is perilous, and Neanderthal skeletons bear copious fractures. Dr. Kuhn and Dr. Stiner argue that Neanderthal women and children took part in the dangerous hunts, probably as beaters and blockers of exit routes."

    Again, this is no different from many groups of HSS. So even if it's right it doesn't explain any difference!
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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 24 2018, @02:08AM (15 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 24 2018, @02:08AM (#642819)

      I see, so can you now tell us why mass immigration occurs only in Western nations and not in Israel? It's not like the Judea tribe expelled from Israel with their "chosen people" bullshit was the first recorded concept of a master race at a time when civilization was heading towards universalism or anything is it? Can you tell us why the majority of individuals supporting the mass immigration of sub-Saharan Africans into the West happen to be Jewish? I'm not alt-right or anything, I just have an inkling you may have the answers to these questions. Thanks in advance...

      • (Score: 2) by Arik on Saturday February 24 2018, @02:27AM (2 children)

        by Arik (4543) on Saturday February 24 2018, @02:27AM (#642830) Journal
        "I see, so can you now tell us why mass immigration occurs only in Western nations and not in Israel?"

        Wow. You must have really had quite the singular experience, if reading my post convinced you that I am the person that can explain everything and anything.

        I'm not sure the confidence is well-placed but I'll try to give you a good answer.

        First off, 'mass immigration' clearly the word 'mass' is your tipoff that this might have something to do with scale. You oppose 'Western nations' and 'Israel' as opposites - Israel certainly wants to be considered a western nation, and in some ways at least it should be, but let's set that aside as well for the moment as I'm honestly not sure what all you're trying to get at. Israel has a lot less mass and thus can absorb a lot less mass, there, that's something both good and true.

        But it's a mistake to think that Israel hasn't or doesn't experience mass immigration. Ask any Palestinian.

        Again, I'm not really sure what you're getting at here. I've seen others here make similar remarks and I hate to read them as the worst but maybe that's what you're doing. Am I being once again accused of supporting 'my tribe' in some nefarious fashion here?

        If that's what you're trying to do go ahead and spit it out, get it off your chest.
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        If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
        • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 24 2018, @03:04AM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 24 2018, @03:04AM (#642849)

          Arik, this AC has no issue with you as I often see your comments here and agree with much of what you say. It is not the case that I will not challenge Zionist arguments or that you didn't understand where the Neanderthal extinction point was heading. [knowyourmeme.com] You knew (or should have known) but argued against 'evidence' you yourself presented and I just blew it all to pieces in context of the larger picture. There is no sophistry that helps you here -- you yourself posted a snippet confirming everything I originally stated. For the record, I think the Balfour declaration was a mistake but support Israel's right to exist all the same.

          We're done here -- although we're both capable of more the rabbit hole is too deep. Look forward to talking again some time though ;)

          • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Arik on Saturday February 24 2018, @03:36AM

            by Arik (4543) on Saturday February 24 2018, @03:36AM (#642864) Journal
            Hi anon,

            "It is not the case that I will not challenge Zionist arguments or that you didn't understand where the Neanderthal extinction point was heading."

            Shut it down, the goyim know? My sides, anon, my sides.

            No, I swear, I did not understand where that was heading. You could say I caught the faint gestank of it but I did not properly believe it until I opened this post.

            "You knew (or should have known) but argued against 'evidence' you yourself presented and I just blew it all to pieces in context of the larger picture."

            Did I? That sounds really abominable. But I truly haven't the faintest idea what you're talking about. Try to be more specific?

            "For the record, I think the Balfour declaration was a mistake but support Israel's right to exist all the same."

            Alright anon. I guess you wanted a response? I'm not at all sure it was a good idea but it's not far enough in the past that I can easily examine it in a non-biased way and yet it is not recent enough that I can feel outrage over it. It was done by a generation before my birth, who knows exactly what they thought would result? I do not.

            I could easily write essays of excessive length arguing both sides of that. Let's spare the board that alphabetorium, it would serve no purpose, any reader will either not be prepared to understand, or could write the section without our help.

            Quite frankly I'm skeptical of the notion that any state has a 'right to exist.' People have a right to exist. Jewish people certainly have a right to exist in Judea. Crypto-jews certainly have a right to exist in Judea as well. Doesn't bother me a bit if they talk about Jesus or Mohammed or Siddha G'tauma when they clearly mean Joshua.

            Can we not occasionally make a small joke without violence in response?

            The original Temple at Jerusalem was the Temple of the Stranger, of the Traveller. This is reflected very strikingly in some stories in the Torah. This was a cult of good-will, a cult of kindness to strangers, of provision to travellers. This is the tradition that I would like to see carried forward in Jerusalem.

            What I want or would like to see is, unfortunately, not worth much more than a can of beans in terms of what happens to the people trying to live a life in Jerusalem in 2018.

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            If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 24 2018, @03:19AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 24 2018, @03:19AM (#642857)

        I'm not alt-right or anything, I just have an inkling you may have the answers to these questions.

        Nope. You're just a troll. And not a very good one either.

        Once there was an art in trolling. You're just a hack.

      • (Score: 3, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 24 2018, @04:38AM (4 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 24 2018, @04:38AM (#642880)

        Can you tell us why the majority of individuals supporting the mass immigration of sub-Saharan Africans into the West happen to be Jewish? I'm not alt-right or anything, I just have an inkling you may have the answers to these questions. Thanks in advance...

        Well, since you asked so nicely, I'll tell you.

        We (your masters and owners) over at the International Jewish Conspiracy (IJC) have long coveted more land. In the late 1960s, we decided that land should be Europe. It's not too far from Jerusalem, has significant infrastructure and is populated by morons like you.

        We determined that the best way to depopulate Europe so we could walk right in was to create "islamic" (we always belly laugh at that one during our meetings) terror groups to destabilize the middle east and north Africa, sending wave after wave of poor, frightened refugees to overwhelm European resources. We peppered those groups with highly trained, arab looking Mossad operatives to sow discontent among the refugees and the europeans, putting them at each other's throats.

        That part of the plan is well under way, so we're now moving to phase III (sorry, can't let the cat out of the bag about that or our plan might move more slowly), but the end goal is for the Eurotrash and the sand niggers to kill each other off almost completely, then we'll come in and mop up.

        Our evil and nefarious plan, The Jewish Master Race Real Estate Expansion Plan (JEEP for short) will leave Europe in our greedy, grasping, poison in the well, christian baby eating hands. So. Now you know. Not that there's anything you can do about it, you goy moron. BWAHAHAHAHA!! BWAHAHAHAHA! BWAHAHAHAHA!

        The status report I got along with my most recent IJC dividend check says that everything is going according to plan and to schedule. Good times!

        • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Arik on Saturday February 24 2018, @05:26AM (3 children)

          by Arik (4543) on Saturday February 24 2018, @05:26AM (#642890) Journal
          "We peppered those groups with highly trained, arab looking Mossad operatives to sow discontent among the refugees and the europeans, putting them at each other's throats."

          Shibboleth Sibelit. If European agencies are competent such plans would likely come to naught. An occasional partial success doesn't threaten civilization.

          If European agencies are underfunded undercompetent and in fact submissive... oops.

          Yeah, sorry, reality does suck at times.

          But it's not my fault and blaming me for it or accusing me of dishonestly supporting malfeasance is simply wrong at best.

          I can't fix a fundamentally unjust world with the snap of my fingers. I'm not Joshua. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRZ1ePEmhsk)

          Just a smart guy that tries to do what he can. Don't exaggerate my power. Don't minimize my goodwill.
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          If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 24 2018, @06:01AM (2 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 24 2018, @06:01AM (#642904)

            Are you this gullible IRL?

            If so, would you like to engage in a *very* profitable business enterprise?

            • (Score: 2) by Arik on Saturday February 24 2018, @06:06AM

              by Arik (4543) on Saturday February 24 2018, @06:06AM (#642908) Journal
              Not gullible enough to think that your offer is worth my time.
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              If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 24 2018, @06:21AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 24 2018, @06:21AM (#642911)
              (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uia2EzrZMTE)
      • (Score: 2, Informative) by khallow on Saturday February 24 2018, @05:49AM (5 children)

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday February 24 2018, @05:49AM (#642897) Journal

        I see, so can you now tell us why mass immigration occurs only in Western nations and not in Israel?

        First, mass immigration happens in Israel as well. Wikipedia indicates [wikipedia.org] that 20% of the Jewish population (75% of the total population) is first generation immigrants. That's 15% of the total population which is higher than the US which is 14% [pewhispanic.org] and which in turn is higher than most of the rest of the developed world.

        And of course, if one takes third generation or less immigrants, that's almost the entire Jewish population. You don't have that high a rate of immigration in any other developed world country.

        Can you tell us why the majority of individuals supporting the mass immigration of sub-Saharan Africans into the West happen to be Jewish?

        You're off by an order of magnitude. There are a lot of people who support immigration. They can't mostly be Jews, because there aren't that many Jews.

        And really what's the big deal with Jews backing their own self-interest (they tend to be recent immigrants in the US and would favor pro-immigration policy). I don't get any more worked over them pursuing their interests than I do over any other ethnic group doing so.

        I'm not alt-right or anything

        And who knows? You might not be bullshitting us right now. But I can't help but notice that you're way off in your assertions. But I guess that's what happens when you pull stuff out of your ass. Sometimes you happen to get lucky and it's close enough to right, but most of the time, you're not even in the ballpark. One wonders what other stuff you've pulled out of your ass in this discussion.

        • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 24 2018, @08:47AM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 24 2018, @08:47AM (#642962)

          Hey Khallow.

          I hope you realize by now that the AC to whom you replied is either an honestly anti-semitic piece of shit with poor rhetorical skills or a troll who isn't very good at trolling.

          Personally, I think he's the latter. Then again, both you and Arik did respond seriously to him, so maybe he's not so bad at it, even though I picked up on it pretty quickly.

          I suppose I could be wrong, and he is just an anti-semitic piece of shit.

          Either way, the result is pretty much the same.

          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday February 24 2018, @05:08PM

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday February 24 2018, @05:08PM (#643080) Journal

            I hope you realize by now that the AC to whom you replied is either an honestly anti-semitic piece of shit with poor rhetorical skills or a troll who isn't very good at trolling.

            I think choice a).

            Either way, the result is pretty much the same.

            At least, he can up his game.

        • (Score: 2) by HiThere on Saturday February 24 2018, @07:17PM (2 children)

          by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Saturday February 24 2018, @07:17PM (#643131) Journal

          I'm still confused about what this has to do with either Neanderthals *or* the Beaker People. (As an old card-carrying member of "The Beaker People Libation Font" [a drinking group] I find this of interest.)

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          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday February 25 2018, @12:20AM (1 child)

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday February 25 2018, @12:20AM (#643239) Journal

            I'm still confused about what this has to do with either Neanderthals *or* the Beaker People.

            I'm not similarly confused. It's off topic.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 25 2018, @08:27AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 25 2018, @08:27AM (#643389)

              khallow is often confused by things he knows he should be against, but as a doctrinaire ideologue, he feels he must support, even though his mother is appalled. Call your mom, khallow.