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posted by Fnord666 on Sunday February 25 2018, @01:11PM   Printer-friendly
from the vox-populi dept.

We had submissions from three Soylentils with different takes on the NRA (National Rifle Association) and the public response in the wake of an attack at a Parkland, Florida high school.

Public Outcry Convinces National Companies to Cut Ties with NRA

Common Dreams reports:

In the latest sign that the aftermath of the Parkland, Florida tragedy may be playing out differently than the fallout from other mass shootings, several national companies have cut ties with the National Rifle Association (NRA).

[Car rental companies] Alamo, Enterprise, and National--all owned by Enterprise Holdings--announced late on [February 22] that they would end discounts for the NRA's five million members. Symantec, the security software giant that owns Lifelock and Norton, ended its discount program on Friday as well.

The First National Bank of Omaha also said it would stop issuing its NRA-branded Visa credit cards, emblazoned with the group's logo and called "the Official Credit Card of the NRA". The institution is the largest privately-held bank in the U.S., with locations in Nebraska, Colorado, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, and South Dakota.

Additional coverage on TheHill, MarketWatch, Independent and Politico.

The NRA Just Awarded FCC Chair Ajit Pai With a Gun for His 'Courage'

FCC Chairman Ajit Pai joined the pack at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) on Friday alongside fellow Republican commissioners Michael O'Rielly and Brendan Carr—the architects of the recent order repealing net neutrality protections passed in the Obama era.

Upon taking the stage, it was announced that Pai was receiving an award from the National Rifle Association: a handmade Kentucky long gun and plaque known as the "Charlton Heston Courage Under Fire Award."

https://gizmodo.com/the-nra-just-awarded-fcc-chair-ajit-pai-with-a-gun-for-1823273450

These Companies are Sticking by the NRA

Fallout continues from the mass murder in Florida. The National Rifle Association is taking it up the wazoo. A national boycott is emerging. If you are old enough, you will remember that this is what brought down Apartheid in South Africa.

From the Huffington Post:

In what may be a pivotal moment for American gun law reform, the National Rifle Association has become the object of intense pushback from anti-gun activists and survivors of last week's mass shooting at a Florida high school that left 17 dead.

All the attention prompted the gun-rights group to break from its usual strategy of keeping quiet after mass gun deaths. NRA officials have gone on the attack to rail against the "politicization" of a tragedy, and going so far as to suggest that members of the media "love mass shootings" because of the ratings they supposedly bring.

The uproar has once again presented companies affiliated with the NRA, and its powerful pro-gun lobby, with a question: to cut ties, or to continue a relationship with a large but controversial group?

The NRA partners with dozens of businesses to spread its pro-gun message and provide discounts to its members, who number 5 million, according to the group. But this week, some companies have begun to jump ship.

Facing pressure from consumers, the First National Bank of Omaha said Thursday it would stop issuing NRA-branded Visa credit cards after its contract with the group expires. Enterprise Holdings, which operates the rental car brands Enterprise, National and Alamo, says it will end its discount program for NRA members next month, along with Avis and Budget. Hertz is out, too.


Original Submissions: #1, #2, and #3.

 
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  • (Score: 5, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 25 2018, @02:32PM (34 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 25 2018, @02:32PM (#643440)

    I say: if you want to have a rational discussion, instead of the trolling you so obviously intended (and I bit), then stop picking only the statistics that support you argument.

    Germany (very strict gun control) in 2011 had a total murder rate of .35 in 100,000 for all causes including guns, which is still lower than just gun-related deaths alone in both populations named in your link. In 2016, that rate rose to .44 without any changes in gun control laws.

    Could it be, just possibly, that there's more factors at work here than just gun control? Or are Germans just an inherently non-morderous people? (for trolling effect, I could have asked that question the other way around ...)

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  • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 25 2018, @02:47PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 25 2018, @02:47PM (#643443)

    The ghetto population in Germany is organized like the mafia within large families; they aren't wannabe independent agents like in the US.

  • (Score: 2) by tekk on Sunday February 25 2018, @02:56PM (5 children)

    by tekk (5704) Subscriber Badge on Sunday February 25 2018, @02:56PM (#643447)

    To tack on further, how many accidental gun deaths were there? We'll be kind and skip suicide by gun, since you could argue that they'd probably figure out a way to do it anyway (although reducing ease of killing yourself does have a measurable effect, and guns are the easiest way to kill yourself,) but how about 'suicide' by keeping your finger on the trigger while cleaning? Oops. Or your kid gets ahold of it and shoots their friend, punch through your femoral while you're adjusting your holster, you know, those things.

    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 25 2018, @03:07PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 25 2018, @03:07PM (#643450)

      Anyone who has a round in the chamber, and the safety off deserves to be shot adjusting their holster.

      • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 25 2018, @07:10PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 25 2018, @07:10PM (#643522)

        Ohhh! Is it time for "I just fucking shot myself, The Musical" again?

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTGmTrQXrwg [youtube.com]

      • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 26 2018, @04:47AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 26 2018, @04:47AM (#643769)

        Anyone who has a round in the chamber, and the safety off deserves to be shot adjusting their holster.

        A couple of years ago I was a civilian participant in a simulated training exercise with the Air Force; the exercise lasted about two weeks. During the exercise we trained and lived like military personnel, including each of us being issued a semi-automatic rifle. We only ever used blanks during the entire time of the exercise. However, they wanted us to get into the habit of treating our weapons as if they were loaded with live rounds. Whenever we entered an enclosed space, we first had to step up to the "pit"--a little space enclosed by sandbags with sand in it--to make a weapon check. We had to check that the chamber of our weapon was clear and that of our buddy to our left and then make sure the switch on our weapon was set to "safety". Well, one time I was sure that there was nothing in the chamber of my weapon and the safety was set. I almost decided to forgo the check. Bad idea. Really bad idea, in fact. It turns out that not only was there a round in the chamber but the switch was set to "semi-auto". Oops. Now, in my case, no one was ever in any danger; as I said, we were using blanks the entire time. However, I have no doubt that had my weapon discharged inside the tent that I would have been sent to see the Colonel for an embarrassing chat about how this all happened. And, it's not that I was being intentionally careless. Honestly, I was trying to be careful with that rifle. I really was. Why am I telling you this? Well, first, you are correct that anyone dumb enough to have a round in the chamber and the safety off deserves to be shot while adjusting their holster. But I also want to note that it is all too easy, in a moment's inattention, to make a mistake that can have potentially tragic consequences. While I was proud to do my part by participating in a training exercise, I am so thankful that in my day-to-day activities I don't have to carry around a weapon with me everywhere I go. Having a weapon in your possession is like having to care for a toddler that is carrying a hand grenade around with them! I also came away with the impression that the vast majority of the people in the USA who own guns probably should not even be allowed to own anything with more fire power than a pee shooter. (No, I don't think I am any more or less careful with potentially hazardous equipment than any other person; I'm probably about average.) Just sayin'.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Sunday February 25 2018, @04:18PM (1 child)

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday February 25 2018, @04:18PM (#643471) Journal

      Dead is dead. What's the difference if it was an accident, or intentional, to the dead person?

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by tekk on Sunday February 25 2018, @06:43PM

        by tekk (5704) Subscriber Badge on Sunday February 25 2018, @06:43PM (#643511)

        I agree with Runaway for once? Weird. That was my point: if you want it to be apples to apples, compare the murders plus the manslaughters *plus* the ancillary accidental deaths (count your equivalent UK ancillary deaths too. Knife sharpening incidents? Shillelagh juggling mishaps? Whatever pepole in the UK are carrying for protection and equivalent sport.) Shot yourself while cleaning your gun, kd got your gun and killed their sibling while playing with it, that sort of stuff. Suicides are the biggest cause of death by gun, but I can understand not wanting to get into that because it'd be hard to say whether they would've attempted without a gun or been unsuccessful.

        Incidentally, this only counts the *license holders* not the people in houses with a gun present, so if your wife murders you with your gun, that's not a murder here. I'd also be open to them counting some manslaughters and murders by *illegal* gun owners. Most of those illegal guns, after all, are legal guns that were stolen, and so it'd naturally follow that reducing the number of legal guns reduces the number of illegal guns, there just aren't as many around to steal.

        I feel like this is where the talking past eachother thing kinda comes in.I'm not going to say that Western Free Press published it in bad faith, but there are different questions that are being answered. Gun control advocates say "Let's have fewer guns", pro gun people hear "...because gun owners do bad things" so the murder statistics of the people who legally are considered to be the owners of a gun are relevant and the others hear "...because having a highly armed populous does more overall harm to society than good" where the statistics of those gun owners is irrelevant, let's look at the larger impacts of having all these guns.

  • (Score: -1, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Sunday February 25 2018, @04:16PM (11 children)

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday February 25 2018, @04:16PM (#643470) Journal

    I'll argue your complaint about cherry picking. Your side of the gun control argument does it all the time. You pick some place in Europe, maybe even five or six places, where there is no crime. When you do that, then my side can do the same. We can cherry pick our own continent, and find where the streets are safe, and violence is very low.

    If/when your side understands that ALL OF EUROPE is roughly comparable to ALL OF THE US, then we'll have some more-or-less fairness. That's right, an entire continent, versus an entire continent, with populations that are comparable within an order of magnitude.

    So long as you pretend that Europe has no hell holes comparable to Chicago, you lose the argument, every time. You don't get to decide who is European, and who is not - that's the old No True Scotsman routine. You don't buy that nonsense, neither do we.

    It isn't guns that make the streets unsafe - is it PEOPLE who make the streets unsafe. No gun, no knife, no club has ever violently raped a woman, nor beat a man to death, or stolen a purse or wallet. PEOPLE do that stuff. Your precious Europeans are on par with Americans. Worse, your immigrant problem is dragging you down. Give it another 20 years, and you'll all be wishing you were American.

    • (Score: 5, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 25 2018, @05:22PM (10 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 25 2018, @05:22PM (#643489)

      I refute your argument, citing UN data (if the UN is not good enough for you, please quote better data, with sources): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate [wikipedia.org]

      Ordered by "intentional homicides per 100.000 capita" the US is on place 94 with 4.88 intentional homicides (IH for short).

      There is one EU member higher on that list: Lithuania, with 5.98 IH. The influence of Lithuania on the European average is negligible, because its population is so small. Latvia is next (but lower than the US) with 4.11 IH and also a small population. Then Estonia with 3.2 IH, completing the list of baltic states.

      Then come Montenegro (2.72 IH) and Albania (2.28 IH), both not EU members but arguably in the same cultural region. And indeed considered quite hellhole-y around here. And still less dangerous than the average US.

      The first "traditional" european state is Belgium on place 149 with an IH of 1.95, less than half the US average. The first populous EU country on that list is France with 1.58 IH, about a third of the US.

      Now, I'm not going to do the sums for you (feel free), but with the numbers above it's quite obvious that the EU average is not going to be above the US average.

      BTW: I did not include Turkey, Ukraine, Belarus and the french overseas areas because IMHO they are *far* outside the colloquial definition of "Europe" for the terms of our discussion. This discussion, to my impression, was centered around a culturally coherent Central+Western Europe, or perhaps the current EU members. Are you disputing this definition?

      Unlike your unbacked assertion, the numbers above do *not* show Europe (as whole or in parts) on par with the US, and with a wide margin.

      Unlike your unbacked assertion, it does *not* look to me like immigrants are dragging Europe down, at all: Italy, Greece and Spain, bearing the brunt of immigration and generally poorer than northern states, still have less IH than even Germany, France or the UK.

      I agree with you on one thing: people make streets unsafe. But - at least concerning intentional homicides - it seems that I should rather stick to European company than to US.

      Did I leave any of your claims unrefuted? I would be very happy to see a breakout of the US states' homicide rates, similar to the way I did above ... I'm sure you have more than just bold statements up your sleeves?

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 25 2018, @05:33PM (8 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 25 2018, @05:33PM (#643492)

        Oh, I overlooked: the same source gives the average for Europe (including Eastern Europe and all of Russia) at 3.0 IH, compared to US 4.88 IH.

        So, even when throwing in another big hellhole, still only 60% of the US number.

        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 25 2018, @05:45PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 25 2018, @05:45PM (#643497)

          This site makes you wonder what the point of facts really are. No one here is swayed by facts on this topic. All I want is better gun licensing, not stopping people from owning guns.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 25 2018, @07:37PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 25 2018, @07:37PM (#643538)

            If you really want your head to ache, try finding a pattern between "good" and "bad" nations in the quoted list.

            Hint: gun control is just a symptom of the actual cause, and therefore not as relevant as you may think.

        • (Score: 4, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Sunday February 25 2018, @06:38PM (5 children)

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday February 25 2018, @06:38PM (#643508) Journal

          Ahhhh - you've done well. Quite well, actually. Now, the numbers are comparable. Not good, but comparable. Take an entire continent, with it's population, and compare it to another continent with it's population, and the numbers begin to look similar. Again - they don't look good for the US, but they look similar enough to work with. You simply cannot compare spanner wrenches to pillows, now can you?

          Now, allow me to point out that methodology messes things up as well. There are huge differences in the way numbers are arrived at, in each country. The UN uses the numbers given to it by each country, without making much attempt to correlate them. Allow me to compare just two countries, to give you an idea. In the US, the FBI (whose numbers are cited most widely) tends to take a reported crime, and add it straight into the tally of crimes investigated. No arrest or conviction is really necessary for the FBI to increase the crime count by one. The UK, on the other hand, tends to "lose" crimes at several stages. A crime is reported to the police, but the police may or may not record that crime as a crime at all. The police do an investigation, and either confirm that there has been a crime commited - or not. If not, that crime is subtracted from the tally. If the police take a crime to court, the court may or may not convict - and if dismissed, then of course, there was no crime. Now - EVEN IF a UK court actually convicts and sentences a perpetrator to prison - time is on the UK's side. If I'm arrested in June of this year, and convicted in Jan of next year, guess what? I'm off of the police station's blotter, and no crime was committed, so far as statistics go. I've fallen through the cracks.

          My terminolgy regarding UK justice may seem off - that is just my interpretation of the facts that I've read. You may read the report from the Home Office, if you like. It has more exact figures, and the proper UK terminology, which should make you more comfortable. The direct link to the Home Office report is in my journal entry - https://soylentnews.org/~Runaway1956/journal/1674 [soylentnews.org]

          Bottom line, the "real" numbers of dead bodies left in the streets and alleys on both continents are far more comparable than you will like. I hope that you can accept that we are all lied to, routinely, by our governments.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 25 2018, @07:33PM (3 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 25 2018, @07:33PM (#643533)

            Ahhh, so now all of a sudden Europe and the US are roughly the same? Didn't you, just a single post ago, *staunchly* assert that Europe was far worse off than the US?

            The study you are referring to has no bearing whatsoever on our discussion. "Your" study is about the reporting of gun-involvement. My above-quoted numbers are for "intentional homicide", no matter the tool, and intention as declared by a court. This standard should be reasonably comparable across nations, methinks. The UN study I quoted is aware of the number skewing you mentioned and went to great lengths to avoid it, not least by defining and stating their exact criteria.

            For your newest assertion (of EU/US being on par), please provide actual numbers from a somewhat reputable study. Not for Great Britain alone, but for all of Europe. Otherwise I'll have to throw your own argument at you: please don't compare the US average to Great Britain. If you compare, you must compare to the whole of Europe.

            Or were you really saying that "the numbers are not comparable anyway, so it's impossible to prove wrong my assertion of equality" ?
            If that were the cause, I'd suppose you had indeed been proven wrong and were now looking for a face-saving way out; pathetically so.

            • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Sunday February 25 2018, @07:59PM (2 children)

              by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday February 25 2018, @07:59PM (#643544) Journal

              First - I don't think that I stated that the EU was worse than the US. I have repeatedly stated that the EU is worse than the EU admits, but I think that you have confused me with someone else. The EU is worse than the US in one respect - and that is their utter carelessness in admitting outsiders into their lands. The great-however-many-great grandfathers of those same Muslims went a long way toward enslaving your people years ago. They controlled eastern and southern Europe, and your own grandfathers finally kicked them out, at great cost. And here you are, allowing them in, to try again. Same people, same religion, same justifications.

              As for the study not being relevant - yes it is. It is more than enough to demonstrate that the governments aren't honest, or consistent, in their reporting.

              And, finally - your "intentional death" may be defined more narrowly than I would like. How many people have died in Ukraine, recently? We don't have anything like Ukraine happening in the US. We manage to police ourselves well enough that groups of people don't start shooting at each other at the drop of a hat. The EU isn't able to do that, are they? All deaths, all causes - which is the more dangerous continent to live on?

              You, and others, hate it that I won't be corraled into discussing your narrowly defined ideas, in your own terms. Violent crime is probably as much a problem in Europe as it is in the US, but so many of you pretend that you have nothing to worry about. You live in Utopia, and we are savages, in a savage land. Phhht. Keep pretending. Again - give it a few more years, and those crazy Muslims are going to make the US look like Utopia, compared to the shithole you are creating today.

              • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 25 2018, @09:03PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 25 2018, @09:03PM (#643572)

                That's exactly what I suspected, nah, counted on: as soon as your opinions (they are just that, without backing facts, of which you provided none in your last post despite my request) are challenged, you change the scope of the argument to better fit your unsubstantiated narratives. It's an impossibility for you to stay on a specific topic.

                How intellectually cheap, yet how effective. If you just keep at it long enough, you can wear anybody out since *your* part does not involve lots of time consuming research, instead just pulling opinions out of your ass.

                Anyway, my community service today (i.e.: calling out your deficient argumentation schemes) has been fulfilled, so I'm going back to the jungle for more actual fun.

                Keep trolling, little racist despot-wannabe, well-known around these parts as you are.

              • (Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Monday February 26 2018, @01:27AM

                by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Monday February 26 2018, @01:27AM (#643672) Homepage Journal

                The immigration situation in Europe is a DISASTER. As everyone knows. But we're having a terrible, terrible time here. So many bad hombres crossing our VERY WEAK Border. And some terrific people. But a lot of criminals. We need to Build the Wall. Because without a Wall, we don't have a Border. And without a Border, we don't have a Country. Kate Steinle, very brutal murder, disgraceful verdict on that one. MS-13 gang members are being removed by our Great ICE and Border Patrol Agents by the thousands, but these killers come back in from El Salvador, and through Mexico, like water. El Salvador just takes our money, and Mexico must help MORE with this problem. We need The Wall! I promised you a big, beautiful Wall. But I didn't count on OBSTRUCTIONIST Dems in Congress. Congress needs to pay for The Wall. Dems say, no Wall until we do DACA. All along I've said, let's do DACA, let's take care of our wonderful Dreamers. I'm the one that's pushing DACA and the Democrats are nowhere to be found. And time is running out. Believe me, it's running out very soon. Very soon.

          • (Score: 2) by TheRaven on Monday February 26 2018, @09:26AM

            by TheRaven (270) on Monday February 26 2018, @09:26AM (#643848) Journal

            The UK, on the other hand, tends to "lose" crimes at several stages. A crime is reported to the police, but the police may or may not record that crime as a crime at all.

            This is true for small-scale crimes against property and very true for online crimes (where, for strange historical reasons, they fall under the jurisdiction of the City of London police and so sometimes fail to end up in either the reported or responsible force's statistics), but it is not true for any crimes involving loss of life. There is a huge paper trail for those and it is basically impossible for them to be omitted from the statistics.

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      • (Score: 2) by fritsd on Sunday February 25 2018, @05:51PM

        by fritsd (4586) on Sunday February 25 2018, @05:51PM (#643499) Journal

        OMG I just realized: recent statistics for the gun violence in Belgium and France *INCLUDES* the Bataclan etc. terrorist attacks.
        That should up the avarage considerably now that the Bende van Nijvel has disappeared.

  • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 25 2018, @04:21PM (10 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 25 2018, @04:21PM (#643473)

    Actually, it's tied to race. If you want to start the shit flinging on a massive level, go ahead and post statistics for those murders, and then we'll post ones for the US.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 25 2018, @05:39PM (9 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 25 2018, @05:39PM (#643494)

      *heavy sarcasm* Yeah, we should kill all blacks to reduce the number of homicides!

      • (Score: 0, Troll) by Sulla on Sunday February 25 2018, @06:38PM (8 children)

        by Sulla (5173) on Sunday February 25 2018, @06:38PM (#643509) Journal

        Thats what original poster was getting at, it is insane/wrong to make such a proposal but in the US a disproportunate number of gun deaths are black-on-black. Removing (taking) guns from the inner cities would significantly improve our scores vs the rest of the world because the black-on-black crime would go down. Inner cities are hellholes, harder to start out, harder to break out of the rut, bad or expensive housing, lack of jobs, being stuck either being the best of the best or resorting to crime to feed yourself. If I am sure someone could post the stats comparing Montana to Illinois. The solution is not to kill them all the solution is to take away the need for violence.

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        • (Score: 4, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Sunday February 25 2018, @06:47PM (1 child)

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday February 25 2018, @06:47PM (#643512) Journal

          take away the need for violence.

          I don't think you can do that. Young men need some kind of "rite of passage", and those rites usually involve some sort of violence. I believe that you can redirect violence. High school sports work for a lot of youngsters, with football probably being the number one satisfier for violence. Country boys used to get into hunting, fishing, camping, and generally challenging mother nature. School and extracurricular sports are probably the best way to redirect boy's need for violence. Peewee leagues and similar keep kids pretty busy, if you can just get them involved. Boy Scouts was also good for keeping kids busy - but I don't see that so much anymore.

          But, so long as humans are humans, I think that boys and young men will always need some form of violence in their lives. Kids have just GOT TO "prove" their manhood to each other. Inner city kids with few opportunities do that by shooting each other.

          • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Joe Desertrat on Sunday February 25 2018, @10:38PM

            by Joe Desertrat (2454) on Sunday February 25 2018, @10:38PM (#643614)

            Young men need some kind of "rite of passage", and those rites usually involve some sort of violence...

            Maybe not necessarily violence, but your point makes sense. I visited fairly recently some of the places I used to frequent as a youth, mostly in pursuit of hunting and fishing but sometimes just wandering around. Most of them now have access cut off. A little patch of woods we wandered around in was bulldozed and youth league football and baseball stadiums were built, complete with locked chain link fences keeping out those who do not join sanctioned leagues. Several areas had flood control dikes, we used to fish there but apparently they are off limits since 9/11, when anyone fishing or exploring became a possible terrorist. A great grouse woods was buried under a reservoir in which, since they had to do major engineering work to prevent the water from draining into the sand, has access limited to one fishing pier. And so on. Public access to almost every place I used to frequent has been cut off. I can't imagine how I would have spent my time if I was growing up there now. And they wonder why kids turn to drugs or worse?

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 25 2018, @08:18PM (4 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 25 2018, @08:18PM (#643556)

          in the US a [disproportionate][1] number of gun deaths are black-on-black

          I noticed that you didn't support your claim with a link.
          Could it be that you just made that up?

          [1] ...and get a spellchecker, dude. They're free.

          -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]

        • (Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Monday February 26 2018, @01:38AM

          by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Monday February 26 2018, @01:38AM (#643679) Homepage Journal

          Chicago, they had so much "carnage" going on. It's a gun-free zone. But every day they had so many people getting shot. And getting shot to death. They did the gun control, it didn't work. So I told the Mayor, stop that "carnage"! Or I'll send in the Feds. And finally, he did something. Obama, supposedly he's from Chicago. He's not from Chicago, he's from Kenya, really from Kenya. But Chicago, right? He was the President, he did nothing. Massive "carnage." But you elected me and I made a promise: eventually we’re going to get something done. And I told that to the Mayor, he took care of it. Because of me.

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Bot on Sunday February 25 2018, @04:48PM

    by Bot (3902) on Sunday February 25 2018, @04:48PM (#643482) Journal

    > Could it be, just possibly, that there's more factors at work here than just gun control?

    One of the factors: those in charge are not interested in your health and safety, meatbag.

    If they were, you probably would not need gun control, because people would be eating healthy food, working less (technology, remember) living clean, having less of that hollywood shit, not exceeding brain altering substances the way our pre-drug wars ancestors did, enjoying education and culture.

    Since they are not, you will have gun control, then blade control, then movement control, then opinion control.

    My tip is, control resides better in your hands than out of them.

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  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 25 2018, @09:31PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 25 2018, @09:31PM (#643582)

    Look at this stat from 7 years ago! Checkmate!

    How about you look at the trend following Germany's 'enrichment'.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 25 2018, @09:58PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 25 2018, @09:58PM (#643593)

    It rose,and will keep rising due to the number of moslems in Germany

  • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday February 26 2018, @03:43AM

    by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Monday February 26 2018, @03:43AM (#643733) Journal

    if you want to have a rational discussion, instead of the trolling you so obviously intended

    That's not trolling, is providing once-only (and by citation)...mmm... an irritating stimulus for further discussion (yeah, that the term. Grin)

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