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posted by martyb on Thursday March 01 2018, @07:14PM   Printer-friendly
from the downward-economic-spiral dept.

The Center for American Progress reports

President Trump's decision to impose tariffs on imported solar materials is already taking its toll on U.S. jobs.

After putting plans on hold last month to expand its factories in the United States, SunPower Corp., one of the nation's largest solar panel manufacturers, now intends to lay off about 10 percent of its U.S. workforce.

SunPower attributed the job cuts to the 30-percent tariffs imposed by the Trump administration on imported solar cells and panels, The Hill reported [February 28]. Company chief executive Tom Werner estimates the new tariffs will cause the company to lose $50 million in 2018 and as much as $100 million in 2019.

Werner's comments built on information that SunPower released in a filing submitted to the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) last week. The news also came only two weeks after SunPower reported a 35-percent decrease in revenue in 2017 compared to 2016.

Werner told The Hill that it has already begun laying off between 150 and 250 workers from its U.S. operations. Based in San Jose, California, SunPower imports most of its components from manufacturing facilities in the Philippines and Mexico.

Trump slapped the 30-percent tariff on imported solar cells and panels in January after the U.S. International Trade Commission ruled last year that China had harmed the domestic solar manufacturing industry with policies aimed at taking over the global market. The industry gets about 80 percent of its solar panel products from imports.

The Solar Energy Industries Association, the primary lobby group for the U.S. industry, estimates Trump's decision may cost the fast-growing industry about 23,000 jobs in 2018 and cause billions of dollars in solar investments to be canceled or delayed. The industry currently employees more than 260,000 people, primarily in the installation business.

[...] In January, SunPower said it was putting a $20 million U.S. factory expansion and hundreds of new jobs on hold until its solar panels receive an exemption from Trump's solar tariffs.


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  • (Score: 3, Informative) by takyon on Thursday March 01 2018, @08:23PM (14 children)

    by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Thursday March 01 2018, @08:23PM (#645957) Journal

    From my read of the summary, I'm guessing the panel producer imports the cells from China, and then puts them together as complete systems in the U.S.

    You would expect companies that just do installation of solar panels to also be hurt by tariffs, at least temporarily.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 01 2018, @08:27PM (7 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 01 2018, @08:27PM (#645960)

    Easy fix - produce the panel 100% in the U.S. It should be better quality that way, we make the best stuff!

    • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday March 01 2018, @08:57PM (6 children)

      by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Thursday March 01 2018, @08:57PM (#645977) Journal

      we make the best stuff!

      Yeah, right.

      I remember in 1977 when the Detroit auto makers redesigned everything on the road because of new clean air. Quality was already going downhill, and this accelerated it.

      By the early 1980's the US auto quality problem was well known. US was the worst, except for the Moscovite. Executives thought it was a perception problem, so there were television ads like "Quality Is Job #1!". Yet quality remained poor.

      I remember by the late 1980's a friend had a new van. The belts squeaked. And continued to do so. It wasn't a "new car" thing. He took it to the dealer. Told "oh, they just do that". Hey, buy a Toyota! Buy a Honda! They don't "just do that".

      I could go on.

      I was too young to understand whether it was workers, unions, management. But I was old enough to understand to not buy American cars, and I've had good luck by not doing so.

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      • (Score: 3, Informative) by Sulla on Thursday March 01 2018, @09:58PM (1 child)

        by Sulla (5173) on Thursday March 01 2018, @09:58PM (#646030) Journal

        In the top 10 most reliable cars in the US two are produced in the US and the rest are Lexus/Audi/Mercedes or the 4runner. Not in that top 10 but generally regarded as reliable are the Camry and Corolla are made in the us (Corolla also in Canada).

        Of the 19 cars Toyota makes 12 are made here in the US (or some are made here in the US).

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 01 2018, @10:32PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 01 2018, @10:32PM (#646048)

          So it is actually a problem with US businessmen? I'll buy that excuse, bunch of gung-ho nitwits who care more about money than the quality they produce.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 01 2018, @11:35PM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 01 2018, @11:35PM (#646081)

        Yeah. Cars of the late 1970s and the 1980s had AIR systems (Air Injector Reactor) AKA smog pumps and hoses going everywhere.

        Carburetors were still common.

        Remember that the computer industry were still shipping Z80-based stuff and only beginning to get into 8080-based systems.
        So, even the "electronic" ignitions that existed didn't have any intelligence beyond the vacuum advance that had been industry standard for decades.

        ...and if that wasn't enough, cars of that era were BUTT [google.com] UGLY. [google.com]

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 02 2018, @12:03AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 02 2018, @12:03AM (#646102)

          s/8080-based/8086-based

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 02 2018, @07:25PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 02 2018, @07:25PM (#646565)

          Ugly? I've always thought that 80-s era cars looked the best. Give me a caprice, a chevelle, an el dorado any day over these new smooth lines everywhere effeminate piles of shit.

      • (Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 02 2018, @12:36AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 02 2018, @12:36AM (#646120)

        I was too young to understand whether it was workers, unions, management. But I was old enough to understand to not buy American cars, and I've had good luck by not doing so.

        And not just cars either, as this old saw rather humorously points out [ambians.com]:

        Mr. Jones related an incident from "some time back" when IBM Canada
        Ltd. of Markham, Ont., ordered some parts from a new supplier in Japan. The
        company noted in its order that acceptable quality allowed for 1.5 per cent
        defects (a fairly high standard in North America at the time).
                        The Japanese sent the order, with a few parts packaged separately in
        plastic. The accompanying letter said: "We don't know why you want 1.5 per
        cent defective parts, but for your convenience, we've packed them separately."
                                        -- Excerpted from an article in The (Toronto) Globe and Mail

  • (Score: 1) by tftp on Thursday March 01 2018, @08:35PM (5 children)

    by tftp (806) on Thursday March 01 2018, @08:35PM (#645964) Homepage
    The law is designed to reward local manufacturing, not local resellers of foreign goods. Resellers are bad employers, they need as minimum a warehouse, as maximum (in this case) a simple screwdriver assembly hangar. So it is natural that resellers are complaining that their outsourced parts cost now more than a local part would cost. However there are no local parts yet, the last attempt famously failed under the pressure of Chinese production.
    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by insanumingenium on Thursday March 01 2018, @08:46PM (4 children)

      by insanumingenium (4824) on Thursday March 01 2018, @08:46PM (#645969) Journal

      And therein lies the problem. Local manufacturing can't take over immediately, it doesn't exist at necessary scale. And who is going to build out new manufacturing capability with a tariff set to decay in just a couple of years. Building panels from foreign cells is slightly more involved than you suggest.

      • (Score: 1) by tftp on Thursday March 01 2018, @09:11PM (3 children)

        by tftp (806) on Thursday March 01 2018, @09:11PM (#645992) Homepage
        And therein lies the problem. American politics are always short-term, brief patches upon the fabric of reality. This tariff decays in a few years, and in a few more the whole presidency of Trump will be gone and done with. Who will come next? Will he continue bringing factories home, or - as people in this discussion expressed - decide to reverse and pollute someone's else country, so this one can remain clean? After all, printing of electronic dollars is ecologically clean. Myself, I vote for moving factories home and improving them. Sell the product, keep the technology. Right now the PCB technology in Taiwan and China exceeds the same in the USA. Like ancient Romans, we are lagging in technology, sitting on sacks of money. But we cannot produce a smartphone domestically. The yield will kill the business. Our best CMs are not good enough, they cannot afford the best because there is not enough orders of the best that would cover the investment. Too little is made domestically, mostly R&D. As soon the project is done, it gets shipped to China - and you don't own it anymore.
        • (Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Thursday March 01 2018, @09:39PM

          by Grishnakh (2831) on Thursday March 01 2018, @09:39PM (#646017)

          This tariff decays in a few years, and in a few more the whole presidency of Trump will be gone and done with.

          I'd just like to comment that I agree with your timeline here (you're implying that Trump will win his re-election bid and serve a full two terms). I predict the Dems are going to nominate yet another absolutely horrible candidate (either Hillary yet again, or maybe Oprah), and then will again lose the general election.

        • (Score: 4, Interesting) by insanumingenium on Thursday March 01 2018, @10:16PM

          by insanumingenium (4824) on Thursday March 01 2018, @10:16PM (#646041) Journal
          I will absolutely agree that American politics are short term. But we have tariffs on the books that don't expire, we didn't even try to make this one permanent, it can only hurt demand for solar, it can't realistically encourage manufacturing.

          I would love increased domestic manufacturing. I don't love grandstanding which can only hurt the cause masquerading as helping the cause.

          Unfortunately even permanent tariffs aren't a guaranteed fix. We still see loopholes to the chicken tax in place of genuine manufacturing.
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 02 2018, @12:53AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 02 2018, @12:53AM (#646133)

          Right now[,] the PCB technology in Taiwan and China exceeds the same in the USA

          Hell, by now, even Bulgaria [google.com] might be outstripping the volume done by domestic USAian PCB fab houses.

          Will he continue bringing factories home
          [...]
          Too little is made domestically

          ISTM that Trump is closing the barn door after all the livestock has bolted.
          (Economics professor Richard Wolff gave him a raspberry for his tariffs notion many, many months ago.)
          ...and it doesn't help that China engages in dumping. [wikipedia.org]

          It started when the domestic components manufacturing went offshore.
          (I remember having a hell of a time trying to get carbon-composition resistors.)
          Lengthen the supply lines and you increase costs for domestically-produced finished goods.
          (China doesn't have that problem because they have done the inverse, starting with building the small stuff.)

          N.B. DoD is having to get special waivers in order to buy foreign-made components.

          Manufacturers being left high and dry without lower-level components is a case of the chickens coming home to roost.

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