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Eleven U.S. states have pending animal abuse registry legislation:
Son of Sam, Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer and the Columbine High School shooters are among the infamous criminals who had a history of hurting animals before they went on to target humans, a tendency that's part of what's behind a movement to create public online registries of known animal abusers.
New York is among 11 states with animal abuse registry bills pending in their legislatures, following Tennessee, which started its in 2016 along with a growing number of municipalities in recent years, including New York City, and the counties that include Chicago and Tampa, Florida.
"Animal abuse is a bridge crime," said the sponsor of New York's bill, Republican state Sen. Jim Tedisco, who noted that Nikolas Cruz, accused of killing 17 people in the Parkland, Florida, high school shooting on Feb. 14, reportedly also had a history of shooting small animals.
While the main goal of collecting names of convicted animal abusers is to prevent them from being able to adopt or purchase other animals, registry backers say such lists could also be a way to raise red flags about people who may commit other violent crimes ranging from domestic violence to mass shootings. But some animal welfare advocates, mostly notably the ASPCA, question how effective they can really be.
[Ed's Comment - Original link unreliable, so I have added additional links]
Additional Sources:
- http://www.vmdtoday.com/news/animal-abuser-registry-legislation-sought-stalled
- https://www.navs.org/state-animal-abuser-registries-proposed-2018/
- http://www.ladbible.com/news/animals-news-us-states-and-counties-are-registering-animal-abuse-like-sex-offences-20180218
- https://nhes.org/animal-abuser-registries/
(Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Monday March 05 2018, @03:22PM (18 children)
- Horse and dog racetracks
The dog racetracks seem to have mostly died out here in the US. Good riddance.
- The Royal School of Bullfighting in Seville, Spain
Yep, between this crap and the "running of the bulls", the Spaniards are still a pretty backwards and stupid bunch of people. I really do understand why the Catalans want to get away from those morons. Heck, Spain still has a national holiday celebrating Columbus's brutal acts in the New World, complete with a military parade. And don't forget, they were an actual dictatorship only a short time ago, complete with numerous disappearings. They try to act like they're some advanced western European nation, but they're really much more backwards than most of the eastern European countries that only recently joined the EU.
We only seem to really be worried about abusing the animals that we aren't planning on eating and have deemed "cute".
Well to be fair, there *are* supposed to be laws that require livestock to be treated humanely, executed painlessly, etc. Some farms do seem to do an OK job of this, giving them nice pastoral lives until their number is up, but the giant corporate factory farms seem to be pretty horrific, and somehow get away with not following these laws, and worse having corrupt relations with local law enforcement so that activists attempting to document law-breaking end up in trouble with the cops instead of the law-breakers.
What we really need in this country is a federal police force that polices the state and especially local cops, and when it finds illegal actions by them, prosecutes them ruthlessly. We don't have much trust in our police in this country, and part of it I think is because each police department seems to be a separate, independent fiefdom, with very little accountability, outside that provided by civil court suits which isn't really helpful and doesn't punish actual law-breaking. I would say that this should be the job of the state police, but they sure as hell aren't doing it.
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by Freeman on Monday March 05 2018, @03:46PM (11 children)
Creating a "Federal Police Force" and doing away with local law enforcement would be a monumentally bad idea. Local law enforcement have ties with the local population and I would say are more likely not to be corrupt. They would more likely at least be less corrupt as they have far less power than a "Federal Police Force" would. May as well declare martial law and disband the police at that point.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 05 2018, @04:32PM
That's not what he said at all. Of course you're fully aware.
Why the fuck are you here posting dishonestly?
Pretending not to understand so you can counter with bullshit.
He said federal oversight of local agencies. Which is exactly how people all around the world, across decades, have handled the problem he's described.
We aren't stupid and don't need stupid people here go spout your dumb on youtube .
(Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Monday March 05 2018, @04:58PM (9 children)
Just to echo the AC responder, are you really that fucking stupid, or are you intentionally lying? Because it's plainly obvious that I never advocated for what you claim I did. So either you're a fucking moron or a fucking troll.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Freeman on Monday March 05 2018, @05:22PM (8 children)
Sorry, my brain must have been turned off this morning. I re-read your comment and yeah, I'm not sure what I was thinking.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Monday March 05 2018, @06:01PM (7 children)
Wow, thanks.
Well, here's another example of where this site needs the ability to edit or delete comments afterwards. This happens to me once in a while on Reddit, and when it does, I just go and delete the angry comment that's no longer called for, which also ends up making it hard to see the rest of ensuing thread which is at this point unnecessary. There's no reason to keep around angry comments that are just the result of a total misunderstanding.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Grishnakh on Monday March 05 2018, @06:16PM (1 child)
Also, I apologize for being overly harsh with my reply.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 06 2018, @05:29PM
why don't you apologize for your seditious post? the feds don't have authority over the locals in this fucking country. if you are native born you are woefully ignorant of how this country is supposed to work.
(Score: 2) by takyon on Monday March 05 2018, @08:14PM (2 children)
There's another fix. Let go of all human emotions, all desires, all motivations. You need to shed the essence of your very humanity so that you'll never be compelled to write the angry comment in the first place. A number of meditative, chemical, or surgical fixes can accomplish this.
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(Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Monday March 05 2018, @08:44PM (1 child)
Fixing the site would be a lot easier.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 05 2018, @09:21PM
Yeah, but the idea of me handing out free icepick lobotomies sounds a lot more fun.
(Score: 4, Funny) by Reziac on Tuesday March 06 2018, @03:16AM
Maybe we need a couple more mod options.
One the poster can use: "Sorry, fucked up"
One the respondent can use "Sorry, didn't mean to jump your shit"
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 0, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 06 2018, @05:51AM
Nah, maybe you'll think next time before getting unhinged. After all, the AC apparently expressed your sentiments (which I can definitely understand, there are lots of trolls that appear like that), and yet you still felt you needed to rant off under your name.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday March 05 2018, @05:16PM (5 children)
Be careful what you wish for. Himmler had something similar to what you're asking for. The SS did a lot of things, and policing the police was one of their lesser known duties.
(Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Monday March 05 2018, @06:05PM (4 children)
The Nazis also had trains that worked pretty well and were on time. Is that a bad thing too?
The Nazis also were proponents of making inexpensive cars that people could afford. Should we not have those?
The Nazis were proponents of spending on science and tech research. Should we stop all of that?
The Nazis preferred attractive uniforms. Should we consciously avoid that too, and make sure all our uniforms are as ugly as possible?
The Nazis did all kinds of things. I'm quite sure many other countries do have national-level police who are there as a check on the local police powers and to make sure they're following the laws and not corrupt.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday March 05 2018, @06:28PM (2 children)
Well, the police have been known to make people disappear, without a trace. Or, if the bodies are somehow found, suicide is the accepted explanation. Think about the SS. They could make the police dissapear. Mayors. Generals. Anyone, in fact. Having a super police force could well have unintended consequences.
(Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Monday March 05 2018, @08:47PM (1 child)
Again, I'm pretty sure every advanced nation on the planet has something like this, and they don't seem to have any real problems with disappearances, or even excessively-high suicides. Just look at Norway for instance.
Not having this has clear consequences that there's variable or even complete lack of rule of law depending on your locality. You can't have a functional republic that has "rule of law" if the people in some little town are basically living under a dictator who has extra-legal powers and the higher levels of government have little recourse to deal with him, and every town is potentially like this to some degree.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 05 2018, @09:35PM
It's helpful if you have access to explosives like dynamite to deal with tyrants inside their bunkers. [jpfo.org]
You can even fight back and win against the federal government, both with weapons on a potential battlefield [youtube.com], and also in federal [theguardian.com] courtrooms [katu.com] (though some of the observant among us might be inclined to state that 'the process is the punishment').
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 06 2018, @05:22AM
This white supremacist meme needs to die. Like in a fire. Newsflash: I lived for a few years in Germany and I can tell you that the trains were running on time long after the Nazis were gone. As in fifty years after they were gone. And I'm willing to bet, dollars to donuts, that the trains were running on time long before the Nazis ever arrived on the scene.
Another newsflash: Henry Ford had this idea at least several years before the Nazis showed up.
They also had a nasty habit of excluding Jews from University. It had a debilitating impact on their science and tech research. Just so you know.
FYI, in the USA the DoJ traditionally has the role of stepping in as a check on local police abuses. Most of the cases I am familiar with involve evidence of civil rights violations by state and/or local police. Just so you know.
I do hope this clarifies things a bit for you.