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Eleven U.S. states have pending animal abuse registry legislation:
Son of Sam, Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer and the Columbine High School shooters are among the infamous criminals who had a history of hurting animals before they went on to target humans, a tendency that's part of what's behind a movement to create public online registries of known animal abusers.
New York is among 11 states with animal abuse registry bills pending in their legislatures, following Tennessee, which started its in 2016 along with a growing number of municipalities in recent years, including New York City, and the counties that include Chicago and Tampa, Florida.
"Animal abuse is a bridge crime," said the sponsor of New York's bill, Republican state Sen. Jim Tedisco, who noted that Nikolas Cruz, accused of killing 17 people in the Parkland, Florida, high school shooting on Feb. 14, reportedly also had a history of shooting small animals.
While the main goal of collecting names of convicted animal abusers is to prevent them from being able to adopt or purchase other animals, registry backers say such lists could also be a way to raise red flags about people who may commit other violent crimes ranging from domestic violence to mass shootings. But some animal welfare advocates, mostly notably the ASPCA, question how effective they can really be.
[Ed's Comment - Original link unreliable, so I have added additional links]
Additional Sources:
- http://www.vmdtoday.com/news/animal-abuser-registry-legislation-sought-stalled
- https://www.navs.org/state-animal-abuser-registries-proposed-2018/
- http://www.ladbible.com/news/animals-news-us-states-and-counties-are-registering-animal-abuse-like-sex-offences-20180218
- https://nhes.org/animal-abuser-registries/
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 05 2018, @03:47PM (12 children)
This is a natural progression after 30 years of toleration of PETA and their ilk. They should have been involuntarily committed long ago to institutions able to care for those individuals. Now we have fruitcakes trying to drag peacocks onto commercial airlines as "comfort animals." Every time I go to a big box store, I regualrly see some nutcase dragging along Fido dressed in some Amazon purchased knockoff vest to help them shop. Last week, I saw some loony millennial dragging her miniature German Shepard puppy around in the damn cart at the grocery store. It yapped incessantly at every customer she passed. No store employee seemed to care. I sure as Hell don't want to put my food in a cart where Rover has been sitting and slobbering. And I am sick to death of grandmas bragging about their "grand puppies." Seriously? It's a dog. If that's the highlight of your existence, you have no life at all. If your kid ever manages to breed you'll have a stroke trying to contain yourself.
We have allowed crazies to elevate animals up to the level of human beings and sometimes sainthood. Rome is falling. Nero is tuning up his fiddle.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Grishnakh on Monday March 05 2018, @06:13PM (9 children)
Oh please.
This is a natural progression after 30 years of toleration of PETA and their ilk.
This is stupid. This is a natural progression of actual science which has proven a connection between kids abusing animals and adults who become mass murderers or serial killers. PeTA fruitcakes (who think that swatting flies is somehow horrible) have nothing to do with this.
Every time I go to a big box store, I regualrly see some nutcase dragging along Fido
It yapped incessantly at every customer she passed. No store employee seemed to care.
This too has nothing to do with PeTA, this is just a modern trend, stupid as it may be, and is mainly the fault of retailers for not having stricter policies and enforcing them.
I sure as Hell don't want to put my food in a cart where Rover has been sitting and slobbering.
Why not? You probably don't have any trouble putting your (packaged) food in a cart that someone's nasty, snot-nosed kid has been sitting and drooling. And that nasty kid is likely carrying some disease that you can very well catch, unlike anyone's dog. I haven't heard of any viruses that work on both dogs and humans. I'm no fan of dogs at all, and don't think people should be able to bring them in stores, but be realistic: kids are a much bigger threat to public health.
And I am sick to death of grandmas bragging about their "grand puppies." Seriously? It's a dog. If that's the highlight of your existence, you have no life at all.
Maybe they're bragging about their "grandpuppies" because their grandkids are a bunch of little shits. Most kids, in my experience, are. At least most dogs are friendly. I don't really want to be around them because they smell and drool, but I'd rather be around people with small dogs than people with little kids. Dogs are generally much better behaved.
(Score: 3, Informative) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Monday March 05 2018, @06:55PM (7 children)
Viruses? Not really - they require DNA or RNA compatibility.
But ringworm, hookworm, roundworm, tapeworm, giardia, campylobacter, brucellosis, cryptosporidium, MRSA, salmonella, leishmaniasis, bubonic plague, rabies. Yes, a lot of those require fecal contact or similar, but not all.
(And none of that had anything to do with the rest of your post as you actually made excellent points. Just that I don't want to have my cart previously occupied by Fido or the child.)
This sig for rent.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Grishnakh on Monday March 05 2018, @07:36PM (3 children)
Yes, that is a very good point. However, I'm much more worried about catching a cold or the flu from being in public than I am hookworm, roundworm, salmonella, plague, etc. People really do catch colds and flus all the time, in huge numbers, every winter (as well as other times of year, but "flu season" is a real thing); I don't think I've ever heard of someone catching plague, rabies (without being bitten by a rabid animal), worms, etc. just from being in a public place. Almost all those things are easily avoided by simply washing your hands, and also not putting your hands into strange bio-matter (and especially not putting your hands in strange goo, and then putting them in your mouth! Something that stupid kids are always doing.).
My central point was that if someone's worried about disease or hygiene from other peoples' pets, they should be much more worried about other peoples' kids, but somehow peoples' disease-ridden, snot-nosed brats get a pass. It's even worse for housing: most apartments will restrict pets altogether, or charge you "pet rent" and additional fees, supposedly to cover damage, but there's no such extra fees for having kids, who cause far more damage to apartments than pets do on average.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 05 2018, @09:18PM (2 children)
I'll try to keep that hygiene point in mind next time I see Rover dragging his ass over the carpet, or lapping water from his bowl and dribbling it all over floor. However, last I checked, nobody's little "snot nosed brat" went apeshit and bit off some poor fucker's face for looking at them wrong. My wife and kids were pinned in the house by a neighbor's loose "pet" one time and had to call the police to walk out to our car. The cops drew on the mongrel and held a bead while my wife and kids walked in our own front yard. Fido would have gone to the dog park in the great beyond if he had charged them like he did earlier that morning.
I can't tell you how many news stories I have seen from dog attacks where the owners were shocked, totally shocked, that their beloved baby would try to eat some poor bastard who just happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time. Hell, just last week some woman was found dead in Virginia, on the path she normally walked her dogs. And she had been mauled and eaten by her own beloved dogs.
So yeah, when I see an obvious asshole taking advantage of well meaning laws meant to protect truly disabled people just so they can carry their little shit factory into a grocery story, I get sick to my stomach at their self entitled ego. These are not trained animals by and large. They are someone's baby surrogate that they can't leave alone at home long enough to buy their fucking groceries.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 06 2018, @12:02PM (1 child)
My son's grandparents on his mother's side have a "rescue" dog that has attacked me twice, he literally tore my clothes off, and bit me multiple times as fast and as hard as he could. I could see the look in his eyes, and it was scary, no regard for anything but to fuck me up.
He also pushed my son over as he opened the door to go into the house, and ran up and bit my father in the side of his belly and proceeded to try and tear off a chunk of his belly fat as he got back in his car.
The dog has also attacked neighbors the same way.
I love animals, but if that dog ever charges at me again, I'm going to kill it right then and there with my bare hands, and my booted feet.
I won't let it suffer, but I will not give it another chance to attack me.
If he ever attacks my family again I'm going to demand it be put down, either by hunting accident, or by animal control.
I've told his grandparents exactly that, and the dog is lucky that when he bit my father that their other dog had just recently died, so I didn't want to push the issue, and be the bad guy that took their other dog away.
And no, I've never harmed an animal, even though I grew up a farm boy, and a hunter.
But if you just heard about the guy who killed his in-laws dog, you might feel they should be on that list, even tho anyone who knows the truth would disagree.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 06 2018, @01:19PM
My girlfriend has a Jack Russel that thinks he's Billy Badass. He periodically flips out and finds the nearest cushion and shakes it in his mouth then he runs up to you and growls. He's not bitten me yet, but he's got a history. If the little bastard ever does, I'm gonna go for the field goal with his ass and I'm sure that will cure him of trying to intimidate me. I've warned my girlfriend that I will retailiate if he bites me. You let it go and it reinforces the behavior.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 05 2018, @08:29PM
These diseases are all much more easily spread from human to human, or require circumstances that aren't plausible, or are so rare as to be irrelevant, or aren't actually spread by dogs. The only genuine health risk you have from a dog is if you are allergic or if one bites you.
(Score: 2) by ilPapa on Monday March 05 2018, @10:34PM (1 child)
I can count at least six items on that list that I caught from your Mom.
You are still welcome on my lawn.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 06 2018, @03:25AM
That's funny. I made the list from all the items I caught from your daughter.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 06 2018, @01:31AM
These laws have nothing to do with that other than as marketing to get them passed. If you want to track such people then you want them to continue to have pets so you can track how much they're abusing them. These laws are one strike and you're out forever of having a pet near you. You won't find out who likes abusing animals thus they'll be further underground when they 'suddenly' come out and kill a bunch of people.
If they actually wanted to keep these kids from becoming serial killers then the laws would be proposing educational classes to teach these people how to respect others. Instead it's the expect opposite. Here's a new list of people we're legally compelled to oppress and thus in turn cause them to hate society even more. These types of lists tighten the lid on a pressure cooker allowing it to explode with far more force rather than adding a pressure relief valve like they should.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 05 2018, @07:10PM (1 child)
Do you even know what PETA stands for? Certainly not pets. Or saints...
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 05 2018, @09:22PM
People Eating Tasty Animals?